UK Price Estimate != US Price Estimates?

smellycat5 · 12-11-2013, 03:18 PM

Since we have UK Price Estimates:
2015 F80 M3: Starting at £56,175
2015 F82 M4: Starting at £56,653

Can someone tell me 2014 pricing UK pricing and 2014 US pricing so we can do some quick comparos on price?

Using the M5 as a comparison (uk=73.7/us=92.9) that would put the US price of an M3 at about $71k. How does that sound?

swanson · 12-11-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by smellycat5

Since we have UK Price Estimates:
2015 F80 M3: Starting at £56,175
2015 F82 M4: Starting at £56,653

Can someone tell me 2014 pricing UK pricing and 2014 US pricing so we can do some quick comparos on price?

Using the M5 as a comparison (uk=73.7/us=92.9) that would put the US price of an M3 at about $71k. How does that sound?

I wouldnt doubt it.

Black Gold · 12-11-2013, 03:33 PM

this is the olddddd elephant in the room. car looks great, and is going to drive great, no question.

BUT, what is the starting US msrp gonna be?

Brosef · 12-11-2013, 03:43 PM

that's really a narrow gap between the M3 and M4. only about USD $600. I guess that makes sense to have that closer given the CF roof no longer separates the two models, but that flies in the face of their strategy to use the '4' number to charge a premium.

Stash21 · 12-11-2013, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by smellycat5

Since we have UK Price Estimates:
2015 F80 M3: Starting at 56,175
2015 F82 M4: Starting at 56,653

Can someone tell me 2014 pricing UK pricing and 2014 US pricing so we can do some quick comparos on price?

Using the M5 as a comparison (uk=73.7/us=92.9) that would put the US price of an M3 at about $71k. How does that sound?

The 73k Gbp price of the m5 includes sales tax. Is the m5 90k usd including tax?

W/// · 12-11-2013, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stash21

The 73k Gbp price of the m5 includes sales tax. Is the m5 90k usd including tax?

No, for sure not.

I predict they'll start at mid 60s

Needsdecaf · 12-11-2013, 04:29 PM

You simply cannot make this comparison. Pricing does not and will not translate cross market, nor will it cross platform. Futile exercise.

Smoltz · 12-11-2013, 04:46 PM

Might be better to go off price increase from E92 for an estimate...

2013 E92 M3 Coupe in UK (January 2013 Pricing) 54,945 GBP OTR
2015 F82 M4 Coupe in UK (December 2013 Pricing) 56,653 GBP OTR(?)

That's a 3.11% increase, which works out to...

2013 E92 M3 Coupe in US $60,100
2015 F82 M4 Coupe in US $61,992 (est)

smellycat5 · 12-11-2013, 04:48 PM

oh, right, VAT is included. What is VAT now? 17.5%? Can I back that out?

Black Gold · 12-11-2013, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoltz

Might be better to go off price increase from E92 for an estimate...

2013 E92 M3 Coupe in UK (January 2013 Pricing) 54,945 GBP OTR
2015 F82 M4 Coupe in UK (December 2013 Pricing) 56,653 GBP OTR(?)

That's a 3.11% increase, which works out to...

2013 E92 M3 Coupe in US $60,100
2015 F82 M4 Coupe in US $61,992 (est)

I would be pleased with this

Dave2011M3 · 12-11-2013, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by W///

No, for sure not.

I predict they'll start at mid 60s

This...

absoluteis350 · 12-13-2013, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave2011M3

This...

I'm guessing approaching $75k option'ed up with Nav and other doodads..

Powaup · 12-19-2013, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smoltz

Might be better to go off price increase from E92 for an estimate...

2013 E92 M3 Coupe in UK (January 2013 Pricing) 54,945 GBP OTR
2015 F82 M4 Coupe in UK (December 2013 Pricing) 56,653 GBP OTR(?)

That's a 3.11% increase, which works out to...

2013 E92 M3 Coupe in US $60,100
2015 F82 M4 Coupe in US $61,992 (est)

I would be pleased with this

Very... Very pleased

Sedan_Clan · 12-19-2013, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Powaup

Very... Very pleased

Veddy, veddy, vedddddy pleased!!!!!!!!!

bmwluvr24 · 12-19-2013, 09:49 PM

That would put the M3 at $59,000 starting!!! FUCK YES.

inagua · 12-21-2013, 08:49 PM

I think it will be closer to 65K for sure. then options up to 80 k

Black Gold · 12-21-2013, 10:22 PM

My dealer says he thinks the m3 will start low to mid 60s.

I am hoping for low haha

E36toF30 · 12-31-2013, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smoltz

Might be better to go off price increase from E92 for an estimate...

2013 E92 M3 Coupe in UK (January 2013 Pricing) 54,945 GBP OTR
2015 F82 M4 Coupe in UK (December 2013 Pricing) 56,653 GBP OTR(?)

That's a 3.11% increase, which works out to...

2013 E92 M3 Coupe in US $60,100
2015 F82 M4 Coupe in US $61,992 (est)

This seems pretty reasonable to me. I predict the M4's starting price will be 62-64k. M3 will be 1k or 2k less.

Quote:

Originally Posted by absoluteis350

I'm guessing approaching $75k option'ed up with Nav and other doodads..

I believe Nav will be standard on the 2015 M3/M4.

khanyam4 · 01-02-2014, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Veddy, veddy, vedddddy pleased!!!!!!!!!

I hope u guys are right about 61,992

filip75 · 01-02-2014, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by khanyam3

I hope u guys are right about 61,992

That would be so awesome

kaashia · 01-03-2014, 07:32 PM

UK pricing is up! Just hover over the "M" to see the prices of the M cars...

http://www.bmw.co.uk/vc/ncc/xhtml/st...orMainExterior

The pricing information is helpful, but raises a strange issue. The price difference between the M3 and the M4 is very slight (less than 500 pounds) but the price difference between a 3 series and 4 series is much larger (more than 3000 pounds). If you take the ratio between the markup of a base 3/435i Msport to a M3/4 and apply it to US prices, you can get an estimate of what US M3/4 pricing may be. However, the M3 ends up being more expensive (since the ratio on the UK M3/UK 335 is larger), which can't be right. But my guess would be that the US pricing will be similar to below...

Base UK M4: 56,635
Base UK 435i Msport - 43,155 (Sport Auto Transmission since this is what US 435i's have)

Base US 435i MSport - 49,100

Therefore (56,636/43,155)*49,100 = $64,436!!!

Base UK M3 - 56,175
Base UK 335i MSport - 39,750 (Sport Auto Transmission since this is what US 335i's have)

Base US 335i Msport - 46,500

Therefore (56,175/39,750)*46,500 = 65,714!!!

My guess is that US prices will be be close to these. Keep in mind that M3/M4 will have more standard features than the E92 M3 so the markup isn't that terrible.

Just something to think about...

EDIT:

The reason I'm doing the ratio with MSport 3/4 series instead of going with percent increase over the E92 M3 is because: 1) There never was a 3 AND 4 series before and 2) It makes more sense to me for BMW to maintain a certain price premium percentage above MSport 3/4 cars since people will compare the two when deciding on value for the money.

Racer20 · 01-03-2014, 10:07 PM

I did the math several different ways using several different models, and my GUESS is that the M3 Sedan will be be $64,500-$66,500.

Just looking at the 2013-2015 % difference in the UK would suggest something closer to $62,000, but with all the added content, I'm expecting a bigger increase.

12-11-2013, 03:18 PM	#1
smellycat5 Private First Class 9 Rep 103 Posts Drives: BMW 335I Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Baltimore, MD iTrader: (0)	UK Price Estimate != US Price Estimates? Since we have UK Price Estimates: 2015 F80 M3: Starting at £56,175 2015 F82 M4: Starting at £56,653 Can someone tell me 2014 pricing UK pricing and 2014 US pricing so we can do some quick comparos on price? Using the M5 as a comparison (uk=73.7/us=92.9) that would put the US price of an M3 at about $71k. How does that sound?
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Black Gold Major General 590 Rep 5,396 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Texas iTrader: (15)	this is the olddddd elephant in the room. car looks great, and is going to drive great, no question. BUT, what is the starting US msrp gonna be? __________________
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Brosef Brigadier General 875 Rep 3,450 Posts Drives: F90 M5 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago iTrader: (4)	that's really a narrow gap between the M3 and M4. only about USD $600. I guess that makes sense to have that closer given the CF roof no longer separates the two models, but that flies in the face of their strategy to use the '4' number to charge a premium.
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Needsdecaf Major General 6513 Rep 6,659 Posts Drives: 2024 G80 Comp xDrive Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: The Woodlands, TX iTrader: (0)	You simply cannot make this comparison. Pricing does not and will not translate cross market, nor will it cross platform. Futile exercise.
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Smoltz Lieutenant 15 Rep 471 Posts Drives: 04 Challenge Stradale + 02 M3 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Live Free or Die iTrader: (0)	Might be better to go off price increase from E92 for an estimate... 2013 E92 M3 Coupe in UK (January 2013 Pricing) 54,945 GBP OTR 2015 F82 M4 Coupe in UK (December 2013 Pricing) 56,653 GBP OTR(?) That's a 3.11% increase, which works out to... 2013 E92 M3 Coupe in US $60,100 2015 F82 M4 Coupe in US $61,992 (est)
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smellycat5 Private First Class 9 Rep 103 Posts Drives: BMW 335I Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Baltimore, MD iTrader: (0)	oh, right, VAT is included. What is VAT now? 17.5%? Can I back that out?
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bmwluvr24 Driving Mika all over California..... 57 Rep 619 Posts Drives: 2008 E60 M5 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: San Diego, CA iTrader: (0)	That would put the M3 at $59,000 starting!!! FUCK YES. __________________ 2008 E60 M5 Sepang Bronze Metallic, gloss black grills and gills, LED side markers, 12mm spacers all around, stud conversion kit, custom exhaust with Magnaflow mufflers and x-pipe.
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inagua Lieutenant 17 Rep 433 Posts Drives: F82 M4, X5 35d, m235 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA iTrader: (1)	pricing I think it will be closer to 65K for sure. then options up to 80 k
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12-21-2013, 10:22 PM	#17
Black Gold Major General 590 Rep 5,396 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Texas iTrader: (15)	My dealer says he thinks the m3 will start low to mid 60s. I am hoping for low haha
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01-03-2014, 07:32 PM	#21
kaashia Private 3 Rep 68 Posts Drives: 2014 435i MSport Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Northern VA iTrader: (0)	UK pricing is up! Just hover over the "M" to see the prices of the M cars... http://www.bmw.co.uk/vc/ncc/xhtml/st...orMainExterior The pricing information is helpful, but raises a strange issue. The price difference between the M3 and the M4 is very slight (less than 500 pounds) but the price difference between a 3 series and 4 series is much larger (more than 3000 pounds). If you take the ratio between the markup of a base 3/435i Msport to a M3/4 and apply it to US prices, you can get an estimate of what US M3/4 pricing may be. However, the M3 ends up being more expensive (since the ratio on the UK M3/UK 335 is larger), which can't be right. But my guess would be that the US pricing will be similar to below... Base UK M4: 56,635 Base UK 435i Msport - 43,155 (Sport Auto Transmission since this is what US 435i's have) Base US 435i MSport - 49,100 Therefore (56,636/43,155)49,100 = $64,436!!! Base UK M3 - 56,175 Base UK 335i MSport - 39,750 (Sport Auto Transmission since this is what US 335i's have) Base US 335i Msport - 46,500 Therefore (56,175/39,750)46,500 = 65,714!!! My guess is that US prices will be be close to these. Keep in mind that M3/M4 will have more standard features than the E92 M3 so the markup isn't that terrible. Just something to think about... EDIT: The reason I'm doing the ratio with MSport 3/4 series instead of going with percent increase over the E92 M3 is because: 1) There never was a 3 AND 4 series before and 2) It makes more sense to me for BMW to maintain a certain price premium percentage above MSport 3/4 cars since people will compare the two when deciding on value for the money.
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Racer20 Major 1030 Rep 1,190 Posts Drives: F80 M3, 228i THP, E46 ZHP Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ann Arbor, MI iTrader: (0)	I did the math several different ways using several different models, and my GUESS is that the M3 Sedan will be be $64,500-$66,500. Just looking at the 2013-2015 % difference in the UK would suggest something closer to $62,000, but with all the added content, I'm expecting a bigger increase.
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