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      06-13-2014, 02:04 PM   #1
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M4 Ring Time 7:52

Oops I just saw this but also looks like it was posted on the F80 boards and the front page which I never read lol

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=997051

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doesnt seem that good.

i guess m4 owners dont have such great expectations
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doesnt seem that good.

i guess m4 owners dont have such great expectations
I agree. It's barely better than the M5. More importantly it's behind the 991S which should be the benchmark for the m4 as a competing sportscar.
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I agree. It's barely better than the M5. More importantly it's behind the 991S which should be the benchmark for the m4 as a competing sportscar.
exactly what i was thinking. and a crap load behind the 991s. it was 1:37!
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I don't think anyone ever claimed M4 would beat 991s. That would be rather ridiculous.
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I don't think anyone ever claimed M4 would beat 991s. That would be rather ridiculous.
I don't think so. It's got a lot more power (given underrated official numbers) and it only weighs 200lbs more.
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exactly what i was thinking. and a crap load behind the 991s. it was 1:37!
I think you mean 7:37

I find the 991 Carrera S time a bit hard to believe to be honest. The test was conducted by Porsche. The best time for the 997 Turbo S was 7:41 by Autobild.

Either way, the M4 time doesn't look great. It's 3 seconds faster than the M5 only. I have a feeling it's handling is not spectacular otherwise it would be close to the C2S if not better.
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exactly what i was thinking. and a crap load behind the 991s. it was 1:37!
I think you mean 7:37

I find the 991 Carrera S time a bit hard to believe to be honest. The test was conducted by Porsche. The best time for the 997 Turbo S was 7:41 by Autobild.

Either way, the M4 time doesn't look great. It's 3 seconds faster than the M5 only. I have a feeling it's handling is not spectacular otherwise it would be close to the C2S if not better.
The 991 S sport auto time ( same driver for all of Sport auto' tests ) was 7:44 , so the M4 was 8 seconds slower with the same driver . The sport auto time for the M5 by the way was only 8:05 . Horst ( their test driver said the M5's brakes were fading badly and the tires were overheated pretty early on in his lap ( this was a non CP standard brake M5 not sure about whether it had a 155 limiter ) . I imagine a CP M5 with CCB and the newer PSS ( compound has changed since 2012) would have done considerably better. But at any rate looking at the same track same driver comparison the M4 with CCB , DCT , and no 155mph limiter , was much faster .
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The 991 S sport auto time ( same driver for all of Sport auto' tests ) was 7:44 , so the M4 was 8 seconds slower with the same driver . The sport auto time for the M5 by the way was only 8:05 . Horst ( their test driver said the M5's brakes were fading badly and the tires were overheated pretty early on in his lap ( this was a non CP standard brake M5 not sure about whether it had a 155 limiter ) . I imagine a CP M5 with CCB and the newer PSS ( compound has changed since 2012) would have done considerably better. But at any rate looking at the same track same driver comparison the M4 with CCB , DCT , and no 155mph limiter , was much faster .
I'm personally believing that with the Comp Pack, Carbon Ceramic Brakes, and the "newer" Michelin PSS's, the F10 M5 will be under a 7:50 lap time. BMW has officially stated that the Competition Package drops the Nurburgring time of the M5 by a full 10 seconds. What the BMW test drivers times were, we will never know though.
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http://jalopnik.com/the-bmw-m4-runs-...-52-1590554399

Oops I just saw this but also looks like it was posted on the F80 boards and the front page which I never read lol

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=997051
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IIRC correctly the F10 tested by Sport Auto, and the M4 actually had the same limiter.

Will go back and check.

The M4 time is certainly respectable, but it's behind a lot of the cars that will be cross shopped. I expect it will be quicker than the usual equivalent Audi offerings, and that's about it. I think the next C63 will beat it.

I think people will also cross shop a lightly used and CPO'ed 991, which as noted is also faster. Well optioned it's approaching used GTR prices. If you say comparing new to used isn't fair… fair enough… but in reality I've done the above cross shopping and others will as well.

Most concerning, it's slower than at least two versions of the current Camaro. That just absolutely shouldn't be true.
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Is the 7:55 time with ZCP?

I cannot believe such a hyped up "track car" is only. 3 seconds faster on a 8 minute track and it has identical performance in hockenheim.
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maybe M5 with CP pack would do same as M4 or better ?
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Is the 7:55 time with ZCP?

I cannot believe such a hyped up "track car" is only. 3 seconds faster on a 8 minute track and it has identical performance in hockenheim.
There is no 7:55, it was a rumor.

Sport Auto F10 8:05

Sport Auto M4 7:52

BMW don't quote ring times. Sport Auto is the most widely quoted single source… because they've tested the most cars over the years.
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http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/n...ime-2011-06-28

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=549428

http://m.autoblog.com/2011/06/27/uno...n-time-at-the/
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The lap times of these road cars on nurburgering are meaningless despite they never fail to entertain keyboard warriors. Automotive manufactures choose this location is mainly because it is ideal to test cars (various surface conditions, all kinds of turns and straights, basically a convenient test facility). There are some professional drivers who have specialized knowledge and extensive experience on this track (Gan San laped several thousand laps there), they can easily push most road cars to the limit with confidence. But for cars like M5, I believe only very few owners will survive (even the fist section) if they literally run the ring at their 100% limit. M4 apparently will be easier to make a fast lap time even in a pair of less capable hands, but I still think it's full potential is beyond most drivers' ability. My point is that we should just forget about lap times of daily drivable sports cars, and focus on the driving experience. Leave the competition of those fractions of a second to formula one drivers, and enjoy our cars by knowing that M5 will be faster than Veyron, LP700, F12 and any Porsche on the ring if you drive any of those and Niki Lauda drives M5.
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IIRC correctly the F10 tested by Sport Auto, and the M4 actually had the same limiter.

Will go back and check.

The M4 time is certainly respectable, but it's behind a lot of the cars that will be cross shopped. I expect it will be quicker than the usual equivalent Audi offerings, and that's about it. I think the next C63 will beat it.

I think people will also cross shop a lightly used and CPO'ed 991, which as noted is also faster. Well optioned it's approaching used GTR prices. If you say comparing new to used isn't fair fair enough but in reality I've done the above cross shopping and others will as well.

Most concerning, it's slower than at least two versions of the current Camaro. That just absolutely shouldn't be true.
Both the M4 and M5 was delimited. In the F10 M5 article they make a point of saying that the car has to be delimited to set the 8:05 lap time.
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All of those are just rumours and have never been verified.

And we can't compare lap times set by drivers that have had hundreds of laps in the specific car with the Supertest lap times where Horst von Saurma only has one warm up lap and then the fast lap!

For instance Horst "only" managed a 7:13 lap in the 918 Spyder while Porsche managed to set a sub 7m lap time (and that was also on a slightly longer version of the Ring than what they use for the Supertest).
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All of those are just rumours and have never been verified.

And we can't compare lap times set by drivers that have had hundreds of laps in the specific car with the Supertest lap times where Horst von Saurma only has one warm up lap and then the fast lap!

For instance Horst "only" managed a 7:13 lap in the 918 Spyder while Porsche managed to set a sub 7m lap time (and that was also on a slightly longer version of the Ring than what they use for the Supertest).
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...-official.html

Why not when Horst could have had a bad day or was not familiar with the car and since he is familiar with the ring, having done hundreds of laps?

The point is "what the car is capable of" and not relying on the subjectivity of the driver.
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