[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Gordon, any idea what turbos are fitted to the 335d, and theoretical max outputs?

I haven't gone too deep into what size they have used for the 335d. I do know that BMW have used Borg Warner for the 35/40d engine. Honeywell Garrett on the 30d, so two different manufacturers.

My understanding is Garrett are the leaders in VTN technology, but this is not as important for the 335d twin turbo system as the small unit eliminates the need to have maximum response from a medium sized turbo. The 335d large turbo is quite old school non VTN.

I'll try have a look at the 35/40d system some time.

[dungaboy]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

I haven't gone too deep into what size they have used for the 335d. I do know that BMW have used Borg Warner for the 35/40d engine. Honeywell Garrett on the 30d, so two different manufacturers.

My understanding is Garrett are the leaders in VTN technology, but this is not as important for the 335d twin turbo system as the small unit eliminates the need to have maximum response from a medium sized turbo. The 335d large turbo is quite old school non VTN.

I'll try have a look at the 35/40d system some time.

I think the 335d turbo will limit you to 410 more than that you will need to change the compressor wheels and it is do-able but then you will have to consider the transmission

[SkyJawa]

Originally Posted by jamal6008

So where do you buy these ppk kits from and who fits them? Are these the standard bmw upgrade kits?

BMW Dealer. Speak to parts, they will order the kit and liaise with Service to book you in to fit it

[Lorcan]

Steinbauer all the way. But buy it from me and get 10% off and free fitting. Total £970.92 inc VAT.

[workshybum]

Sounds like you may have decided PPK but another option that nobody has mentioned is Superchips. I know a few people that have used them and been very happy in the past and never had any problems. Good price and 4 year guarantee.

http://www.superchips.co.uk/search?m...3&variant=2983" rel="ugc" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.superchip...riant=2983</a>

[jamal6008]

Originally Posted by Lorcan

Steinbauer all the way. But buy it from me and get 10% off and free fitting. Total £970.92 inc VAT.

Emailed Steinbauer yesterday and they got back to me today with a price of £899.00 inc vat and delivery

[jamal6008]

Originally Posted by workshybum

Sounds like you may have decided PPK but another option that nobody has mentioned is Superchips. I know a few people that have used them and been very happy in the past and never had any problems. Good price and 4 year guarantee.

http://www.superchips.co.uk/search?m...3&variant=2983" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.superchip...riant=2983</a>

nah not decided on anything yet I am very tempted by the extra power to decide on PPK yet. I would have considered PPK more during the early years of F series when there weren't many options for remap but not so sure about it now.

I've looked at superchips in the past but it would have been even better if they have been able to integrate it with bluefin but I don't think thats going to happen for a very long time.

[jamal6008]

Just received an email from DMS. See below:

We can tune the F30 330D now, achieving over 335bhp and raising the torque
from 413lb.ft up to 478lb.ft. A very dramatic transformation, immense
mid-range performance and even another 3mpg of economy. This has taken
three years of development and we are now the only company able to offer a
full remap of the ECU, not using any external devices and not detectible by
BMW diagnostics. The cost for this remap is £1200+vat, however I can in
this one case offer you a discount to £900+vat.

We store copies of the modified map and the standard map and for three years
following the remap we would return to your car and reinstall the software
should it be deleted during any services or updates. We are also able to
return it to standard if that is required at any time in the future. Our
work is undetectable and we work well within the physical limits of the
engine.

All our remaps are custom written and we do not use any generic software.

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by jamal6008

Just received an email from DMS. See below:

We can tune the F30 330D now, achieving over 335bhp and raising the torque
from 413lb.ft up to 478lb.ft. A very dramatic transformation, immense
mid-range performance and even another 3mpg of economy. This has taken
three years of development and we are now the only company able to offer a
full remap of the ECU, not using any external devices and not detectible by
BMW diagnostics. The cost for this remap is 1200+vat, however I can in
this one case offer you a discount to 900+vat.

We store copies of the modified map and the standard map and for three years
following the remap we would return to your car and reinstall the software
should it be deleted during any services or updates. We are also able to
return it to standard if that is required at any time in the future. Our
work is undetectable and we work well within the physical limits of the
engine.

All our remaps are custom written and we do not use any generic software.

Well, if we get the June RR meet sorted and I can make it then we will have some independent tests as to what the DMS remap offers..

[jamal6008]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Well, if we get the June RR meet sorted and I can make it then we will have some independent tests as to what the DMS remap offers..

How much did you pay for yours mate and what sort of performance figures did you get?

[....,,,,..,,..]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Well, if we get the June RR meet sorted and I can make it then we will have some independent tests as to what the DMS remap offers..

Yes if anyone is looking to upgrade engine output, it's definitely worth waiting until then.

Will be interesting to see side by side comparisons and how they map out.

[jamal6008]

Originally Posted by Brigand

Yes if anyone is looking to upgrade engine output, it's definitely worth waiting until then.

Will be interesting to see side by side comparisons and how they map out.

Sorry what is happening in June??? I am not aware of this......

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by jamal6008

How much did you pay for yours mate and what sort of performance figures did you get?

The special discount rate!

They said the dyno showed 375bhp, but I have a 335d. I also asked them to limit the torque to 700NM as that is supposedly the gearbox safe limit. The engines can go quite a bit higher than that though, and they and others will go higher than that if you want them to, but I'm planning on keeping this car for a long time.

[....,,,,..,,..]

Originally Posted by jamal6008

Sorry what is happening in June??? I am not aware of this......

Lol keep up and read the threads lol

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1125282

[tjlees]

Originally Posted by jamal6008

Just received an email from DMS. See below:

We can tune the F30 330D now, achieving over 335bhp and raising the torque
from 413lb.ft up to 478lb.ft. A very dramatic transformation, immense
mid-range performance and even another 3mpg of economy. This has taken
three years of development and we are now the only company able to offer a
full remap of the ECU, not using any external devices and not detectible by
BMW diagnostics. The cost for this remap is £1200+vat, however I can in
this one case offer you a discount to £900+vat.

We store copies of the modified map and the standard map and for three years
following the remap we would return to your car and reinstall the software
should it be deleted during any services or updates. We are also able to
return it to standard if that is required at any time in the future. Our
work is undetectable and we work well within the physical limits of the
engine.

All our remaps are custom written and we do not use any generic software.

That's a massive power increase!

Hopefully that type of tune is done on a rolling road or under hard acceleration runs?

Is there any air, fuelling or intercooler upgrades with that?

They must have to delete the DPF and EGR valve for that type of performance

[jamal6008]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

The special discount rate!

They said the dyno showed 375bhp, but I have a 335d. I also asked them to limit the torque to 700NM as that is supposedly the gearbox safe limit. The engines can go quite a bit higher than that though, and they and others will go higher than that if you want them to, but I'm planning on keeping this car for a long time.

Me too I am planning on keeping the car for at least another 5 years. The limit of 700NM torque is for 335D only? The figures they gave me takes mine to 648NM which I hope should be okay as its roughly 90NM more than standard.

I am not impressed with the price though if you paid the same because you got yours done a while ago?

[jamal6008]

Originally Posted by Brigand

Lol keep up and read the threads lol

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1125282

thanks

£40 for dyno that's cheap? I'll have to think about this :P My car is pretty standard to be honest and its not got any sort of mods/extras whatsoever.

[jamal6008]

Originally Posted by tjlees

That's a massive power increase!

Hopefully that type of tune is done on a rolling road or under hard acceleration runs?

Is there any air, fuelling or intercooler upgrades with that?

They must have to delete the DPF and EGR valve for that type of performance

I seriously doubt that there would be any sort of upgrades included with that but Tengocity will know better as he's got his done a while ago

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by jamal6008

Me too I am planning on keeping the car for at least another 5 years. The limit of 700NM torque is for 335D only? The figures they gave me takes mine to 648NM which I hope should be okay as its roughly 90NM more than standard.

I am not impressed with the price though if you paid the same because you got yours done a while ago?

I think the 330d has the same gearbox so shouldn't be an issue for you at all.
You'll see that lots of cars which use that ZF box have a torque rating of 700NM.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by jamal6008

Me too I am planning on keeping the car for at least another 5 years. The limit of 700NM torque is for 335D only? The figures they gave me takes mine to 648NM which I hope should be okay as its roughly 90NM more than standard.

I am not impressed with the price though if you paid the same because you got yours done a while ago?

330d has the same gearbox with 700nm supposed limit, which is apparently a very conservative limit.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by jamal6008

Just received an email from DMS. See below:

We can tune the F30 330D now, achieving over 335bhp and raising the torque
from 413lb.ft up to 478lb.ft. A very dramatic transformation, immense
mid-range performance and even another 3mpg of economy. This has taken
three years of development and we are now the only company able to offer a
full remap of the ECU, not using any external devices and not detectible by
BMW diagnostics. The cost for this remap is 1200+vat, however I can in
this one case offer you a discount to 900+vat.

We store copies of the modified map and the standard map and for three years
following the remap we would return to your car and reinstall the software
should it be deleted during any services or updates. We are also able to
return it to standard if that is required at any time in the future. Our
work is undetectable and we work well within the physical limits of the
engine.

All our remaps are custom written and we do not use any generic software.

How is 335hp possible from the 330d, NISFAN is fairly adamant that the turbo is not capable of anywhere near that figure?

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by teaston

How is 335hp possible from the 330d, NISFAN is fairly adamant that the turbo is not capable of anywhere near that figure?

Plus my PPK pushed out 489ft.lb yet is not as powerful. I am really interested in how they achieved that.

I have to say £1100 for zero increase in torque seems a tad expensive ??? ......although a world record on the Turbo is pretty cool

Must say, if I wasn't shy of avoiding the BMW option and warranty, I would go the Steinbauer route.