M3 v M4 VBOX Comparison

[le rafiot]

lc 2500rpm

[dmk08]

Is that a vbox iphone app?

[e39>all]

Originally Posted by MRSSIIM3

wow 3.8?? i suck at driving then. nice results!

see, another sub 12 run

119 kind of slow though??

I figured it would take a good launch to get into the 11s, makes more sense

MRSS, I think u mighta just got a ttv8 by accident or live in a Bermuda Triangle zone where gravity doesn't exist

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by le rafiot

f 80 dct stock

super bon temps !!

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by MRSSIIM3

wow 3.8?? i suck at driving then. nice results!

see, another sub 12 run

119 kind of slow though??

119mph is more in line with what I expect. The speeds you were able to achieve are quite spectacular IMO .

The way I figure it, le rafiot made his time (11.90 vs 11.82) in the first section of the run (solid launch), you made yours in the second section (high terminal speed).

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by MRSSIIM3

another datapoint: did a few runs against my buddy and one of the members on here with an e92. My FBO m3 beat him by ~3 car lengths from 20-80. The M4 got him by 6 in the same span!! I even started in 3rd one run with him in 2nd and I still pulled the whole way

You your vBox runs in Newport? I want to so some vBox dig runs but have trouble finding somewhere safe. Curious about your spot...and whether you are willing to let me know where it is. Thanks.

[Kurt_OH]

Originally Posted by 04RC51

Yes, many of the E9X'ers will be working overtime on their spreadsheets trying to disprove any such run. And their argument will be that a Z06 only traps at XXX so your M4 couldn't have run at XXX, so there! Some people just cannot accept this car for the beast it is and that's quite sad.

OP, thanks for all the info and another entertaining tinfoil hat coming out party.

Yet here you are, trying to provoke it. Not to mention there are as many butthurt F8x posters in here complaining about the tuned E9x results from OP as there are E9x'ers dismissing the F's alleged "outlier" results.

I'd say the vbox is interesting and the results seem fast but within reason for both cars. Plus, what a fun project!

[le rafiot]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

super bon temps !!

merci
je fait du dyno vendredi à performance Québec.avant stock et après avec un tune je vais poster les résultats avec temps(vbox)semaine prochaine

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

Yet here you are, trying to provoke it. Not to mention there are as many butthurt F8x posters in here complaining about the tuned E9x results from OP as there are E9x'ers dismissing the F's alleged "outlier" results.

I am getting really tired of seeing that phrase in here!! Seems it is the only one the poster and his trolling E9x'er ilk know.

[04RC51]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

Yet here you are, trying to provoke it. Not to mention there are as many butthurt F8x posters in here complaining about the tuned E9x results from OP as there are E9x'ers dismissing the F's alleged "outlier" results.

I'd say the vbox is interesting and the results seem fast but within reason for both cars. Plus, what a fun project!

But this is an F8X forum? Do you see F8X owners going to the E9X forum and disputing ALL data they see over and over and over? No, because it's insane? Yet we have to watch the same people who own the last gen car come to this forum and dispute every bit of data over and over. We own these cars and talk about them but are forced to wade through post after post by people who DON'T own them with an agenda to put them down or make their car still seem relevant and I think that's unfortunate.

[Kurt_OH]

Originally Posted by 04RC51

But this is an F8X forum? Do you see F8X owners going to the E9X forum and disputing ALL data they see over and over and over? No, because it's insane? Yet we have to watch the same people who own the last gen car come to this forum and dispute every bit of data over and over. We own these cars and talk about them but are forced to wade through post after post by people who DON'T own them with an agenda to put them down or make their car still seem relevant and I think that's unfortunate.

To the extent the turbo crowd wants to extoll the virtues of the current version, I doubt you have any problems with "last gen" folks. It's where you specifically cite the prior gen, that you can expect prior-gen folks to counter some of the comparison claims.

The takeaway: stop talking about the E9x, if you don't want E9x owners to enter the discussion.

I expect the new version, though disappointing in the engine department, to overall be faster and nicer in most measurements in comparison with the prior version. As far as I can tell from seeing them in person and reviewing online comments and reviews, it achieves all of this.

[04RC51]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

To the extent the turbo crowd wants to extoll the virtues of the current version, I doubt you have any problems with "last gen" folks. It's where you specifically cite the prior gen, that you can expect prior-gen folks to counter some of the comparison claims.

That's wonderful, but most of the people comparing the two actually own(ed) them both. The ones that are here (on an F8X forum, mind you) to solely to dispute any positive data about the F8X don't actually own the car? That's what is so odd? Many, like myself, can compare the two cars as we have spent a good bit of seat time in both and are talking from a first person point of view rather than seeing a positive data point and immediately looking for a reason why it's wrong and lesser than the E9X. It's very weird and I've discussed it with a few owners.

[Kurt_OH]

Originally Posted by 04RC51

That's wonderful, but most of the people comparing the two actually own(ed) them both. The ones that are here (on an F8X forum, mind you) to solely to dispute any positive data about the F8X don't actually own the car? That's what is so odd? Many, like myself, can compare the two cars as we have spent a good bit of seat time in both and are talking from a first person point of view rather than seeing a positive data point and immediately looking for a reason why it's wrong and lesser than the E9X. It's very weird and I've discussed it with a few owners.

So why are you directing this to me? I concede the new version is faster.

Find someone else to hassle for having the audacity to disagree with you.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

To the extent the turbo crowd wants to extoll the virtues of the current version, I doubt you have any problems with "last gen" folks. It's where you specifically cite the prior gen, that you can expect prior-gen folks to counter some of the comparison claims.

The takeaway: stop talking about the E9x, if you don't want E9x owners to enter the discussion.

I expect the new version, though disappointing in the engine department, to overall be faster and nicer in most measurements in comparison with the prior version. As far as I can tell from seeing them in person and reviewing online comments and reviews, it achieves all of this.

These are F8X owners that have come from E9X cars and have every right to make comparisons. Why do those who don't own an F8X or have no desire to do so even come to this forum, except to make trouble?

What a bunch of crap coming from someone who not only does not own an F8X, but has never driven one! How can you call the engine disappointing?

[gthal]

Originally Posted by gmcconn535

These are F8X owners that have come from E9X cars and have every right to make comparisons. Why do those who don't own an F8X or have no desire to do so even come to this forum, except to make trouble?

What a bunch of crap coming from someone who not only does not own an F8X, but has never driven one! How can you call the engine disappointing?

Out of principle or ignorance. If someone hasn't spend meaningful time with it then, IMO, there is no other reason.

The more time I spend with the engine in the M4, the more I appreciate it and like it's character. In many ways, it is more fun than the S65. It revs so freely and quickly, it is very responsive and it has SO much power. I wouldn't say I like it "more" than the S65 but I can definitely say it is every bit as engaging, fun, and full of awesomeness Like others, I was worried about the TT engine having come from 3 awesome NA V8s... I was worried for no reason and am very, very happy with the F8X power plant. Anyone coming to a different conclusion without real experience with it is just letting bias cloud their judgement.

[solstice]

Ouch for the naysayers your Vbox 122 mph just got confirmed by a 121 mph drag strip time slip

[gthal]

Originally Posted by solstice

Ouch for the naysayers your Vbox 122 mph just got confirmed by a 121 mph drag strip time slip

Well, now the naysayers are saying that the driver of that car that trapped 121 at the strip didn't really turn off his JB4 and run stock

These are the days of our lives....

[04RC51]

Originally Posted by solstice

Ouch for the naysayers your Vbox 122 mph just got confirmed by a 121 mph drag strip time slip

Uh oh, the 3 Musketeers will be here shortly to dispute this also.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by 04RC51

Uh oh, the 3 Musketeers will be here shortly to dispute this also.

Yeah, I'm ready to put them all on the ignore list soon. Too much excuses, denial and things that make little to no sense. I'd say this though, I would be surprised if this car wasn't running an ethanol mix to take full advantage of the JB4 and that should likely help some when running stock as well. 121 mph is very strong and likely at the top percentile of what we'll see from stock runs. But who knows.

[Jockey]

Yep, there is always a way out. I will say they have a plausible excuse this time.

[solstice]

Still the M4 trapped 10 mph faster than the E92 M3 with what the owner claimed a stock car. That's pretty crushing by just mixing in some cheaper fuel if this was the case. Seeing the E92 1/4 mile numbers put even the 119 mph we've seen repeatedly on pump gas from the M4 in context.

And if it was a stock map with ethanol mix which we likely should assume until hearing otherwise it also show that the ECU do not hold back boost for adverse conditions. It blows all it can within the no knock parameters.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by solstice

Still the M4 trapped 10 mph faster than the tuned and primary cat free DCT E92 M3 with what the owner claimed a stock car. That's pretty crushing by just mixing in some cheaper fuel if this was the case. Seeing the E92 1/4 mile numbers put even the 119 mph we've seen repeatedly on pump gas from the M4 in context.

And if it was a stock map which we should assume until proven otherwise it also show that the ECU do not hold back boost for adverse conditions. It blows all it can within the no knock parameters.

fixed it for you