Planning to buy an F80, is the JB4 still the go to?

[Jonzny]

I plan to keep mods to a minimum. More than likely just charge pipes and possibly down pipes. I don't plan to run meth or ethanol...


Knowing this which tune would you go with? Is there a better option than the JB4 out there? I've been seeing Bootmod? Come up alot? Would that be a better alternative for a relatively stock car?

Thanks

[Yas__Plz]

I'd recommend BMS Stage 1 from Burger Motorsports which is the same company that makes JB4. For a relatively stock car on JB4 you would probably only run map 1 which is the exact same as BMS stage 1. Also piggyback tunes allow for plug n play making it easily reversible back to stock within 15 minutes

[Jonzny]

Originally Posted by Yas__Plz

I'd recommend BMS Stage 1 from Burger Motorsports which is the same company that makes JB4. For a relatively stock car on JB4 you would probably only run map 1 which is the exact same as BMS stage 1. Also piggyback tunes allow for plug n play making it easily reversible back to stock within 15 minutes

Wouldn't I benefit more from Map 2 which has the variable boost depending on RPMs? Especially w DP's?

[EALm4]

Originally Posted by Jonzny

Wouldn't I benefit more from Map 2 which has the variable boost depending on RPMs? Especially w DP's?

If you're going to do DPs, skip the stage 1 and get the JB4. The JB4 has a slew of other features as well

[Yas__Plz]

If you plan on doing more mods or actually committing to dps then thats when jb4 comes to benefit. But if staying relatively stock, stage 1 would suffice

[04cobra]

I am stage 1, but went with the JB4 incase I wanted to upgrade to DPs later. The JB4 also has the exhaust valve module which the stage 1 does not.

[Jonzny]

Originally Posted by 04cobra

I am stage 1, but went with the JB4 incase I wanted to upgrade to DPs later. The JB4 also has the exhaust valve module which the stage 1 does not.

Do you currently notice an increase in power between map 1 and map 2 being stock?

[9SECDD]

Go JB4.

I started with BMS Stage 1, and ultimately sold it and bought a full JB4.

JB4 has a lot of extra features that you will come to appreciate. Plus, Map 2 is great once you get bored with Map 1, which you will.

[1FastS4]

It's still the "go to" when it comes to choosing a piggy back, but proper ECU tuning has pretty much leap frogged tuning boxes all together.

[rosenbergendo]

Originally Posted by 1FastS4

It's still the "go to" when it comes to choosing a piggy back, but proper ECU tuning has pretty much leap frogged tuning boxes all together.

With all the problems I read about the flash tunes and people having to remove them b/c of various reasons, I'd beg to differ. The JB4/BMS Stage 1 is perfect for those wanting a boost that gets u close to a tune AND has zero reliability issues AND has almost zero chance of flagging a warranty claim denial. Its literally every week someone has to remove a flash tune due to some update not working, the car going into some random limp mode, etc.

[chewbakam4]

Why don't you do a search on limp mode and drivetrain malfunction with a jb before you post? Also search about the dreaded FASTA report which detects piggybacks due to much raised injector flow numbers much higher than stock. Nothing is really invisible and everything can have an issue and you can get nailed at dealer. The only thing you're saving here is not opening the DME but then again all you're doing is just cranking up boost. Ask anyone who knows anything about tuning, google it, what should be done when increasing boost and they'll tell you to lower timing or she'll go knocking on you. That's basics bro. Piggybacks only stand a chance because motor allows knock to happen and puts up with that beating. You can see it on dynos especially on pump gas when they get all out of whack from one run to another. Now if you plan to run race gas or meth then you help the situation but on pump gas I'd never recommend anything but doing a flash to set your timing and fuel right. Basics bro.

[rosenbergendo]

Basics? Three M cars with over 50k tuned miles with piggybacks from Burger on 93 octane. Zero point zero issues. Once in while I'll throw in 100. Never ever seen anyone denied coverage based on a Stage 1 piggy that was removed. Seen many many many denied coverage on this brand and others b/c of tuned ECU. Its basics bro.

[mquatro]

It's so worth having JB4+DPs, you get noticeable power/sound gains for a very reasonable cost. I myself, also have intakes which are totally unnecessary as far as power gains go but sound awesome.

Definitely give it a go, worst case scenario: Get the car back to stock and sell the parts.

[1FastS4]

Originally Posted by rosenbergendo

Basics? Three M cars with over 50k tuned miles with piggybacks from Burger on 93 octane. Zero point zero issues. Once in while I'll throw in 100. Never ever seen anyone denied coverage based on a Stage 1 piggy that was removed. Seen many many many denied coverage on this brand and others b/c of tuned ECU. Its basics bro.

No one is saying that piggy-backs don't work, but they gained their popularity before legitimate flash tuning was even available for our cars.

Fast forward to current day reality and there's no more advantage to piggies unless you happen to believe that they lessen the chance of warranty issues which is also no longer the case.

[gatorfast]

Basics bro

[rosenbergendo]

Originally Posted by 1FastS4

No one is saying that piggy-backs don't work, but they gained their popularity before legitimate flash tuning was even available for our cars.

Fast forward to current day reality and there's no more advantage to piggies unless you happen to believe that they lessen the chance of warranty issues which is also no longer the case.

Having someone in the ownership part of a dealer I can tell you unequivocally an ECU tune is way way way more risky than a piggy. And that clearing of the ECU being altered nonsense-you guys really believe that BMW still cant detect that the ECU has been tuned. See the guys post from M5 forum that after the "tamper" thingie was supposedly placed the dealer still picked it up!! Totally basics bro. Its up to the customer to "pay to play" but lets be real-a piggy like BMS/JB4 on Stage 1-2 is way way less risky and has years of solid results behind it.

[TypeOne]

Reflashing might be all the rage right now but to be honest, you still can't beat the ease of use with the JB4. I don't think making a little more power is worth the hassle when I can unplug this thing and take my car in for service.

JB4 gets my vote and is what I use. I've always been happy with anything I have used from BMS.

[rosenbergendo]

Originally Posted by TypeOne

Reflashing might be all the rage right now but to be honest, you still can't beat the ease of use with the JB4. I don't think making a little more power is worth the hassle when I can unplug this thing and take my car in for service.

JB4 gets my vote and is what I use. I've always been happy with anything I have used from BMS.

+++++ one million.

[chewbakam4]

Originally Posted by rosenbergendo

Basics? Three M cars with over 50k tuned miles with piggybacks from Burger on 93 octane. Zero point zero issues. Once in while I'll throw in 100. Never ever seen anyone denied coverage based on a Stage 1 piggy that was removed. Seen many many many denied coverage on this brand and others b/c of tuned ECU. Its basics bro.

Yeah everyone that gets voided comes running to this forum delighted to let everyone know right away.

[chewbakam4]

Originally Posted by TypeOne

Reflashing might be all the rage right now but to be honest, you still can't beat the ease of use with the JB4. I don't think making a little more power is worth the hassle when I can unplug this thing and take my car in for service.

JB4 gets my vote and is what I use. I've always been happy with anything I have used from BMS.

No one is talking about if people use it. There are so many cases of getting voided with the piggybacks too just search around except Dinan's since they give you their warranty.

[BMWFanatic2008]

Huge advantage of piggy backs is that you can sell them after you are done with the car and get back 60% of the original cost. Also, easy to take off before dealer visits.

[TypeOne]

Originally Posted by chewbakam4

No one is talking about if people use it. There are so many cases of getting voided with the piggybacks too just search around except Dinan's since they give you their warranty.

I feel like this is the case with every car mod... of course it's going to void your warranty if blow a hole in your block or something.

The reality is that I can only speak from my experience and I've had my car tuned for a while and it has been to the dealer for service an warranty related issues and I've had zero trouble with them.

There's a reason why all of this stuff is use-at-your-own-risk. Right?