$115k for BMW M4 GTS (Brand New)

[socalgasking]

My local dealer offered me their GTS for 115k. That is a substantial discount off the 133k MSRP. Sounds like dealers are having some trouble unloading this car. What do you guys think?

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by socalgasking

My local dealer offered me their GTS for 115k. That is a substantial discount off the 133k MSRP. Sounds like dealers are having some trouble unloading this car. What do you guys think?

In Southern California ??.
Wow. All that winter theory goes out the window then.

[socalgasking]

Originally Posted by Gatte

In Southern California ??.
Wow. All that winter theory goes out the window then.

San Diego CA

BMW of El Cajon

[jpdchicago]

Are you sure?
Not on their own site or any site such as Cars.com
Cheapest NEW one on Cars.com is at $125,000.
Must be a resale

Please post link

[socalgasking]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

Are you sure?
Not on their own site or any site such as Cars.com
Cheapest NEW one on Cars.com is at $125,000.
Must be a resale

Please post link

I bought a regular M4 last July. And the GM sent me an email stating that they have a GTS and they are looking to sell for 115k. He also stated that they will do a dealer trade if they can't find a buyer in a week.

[robbys3m3]

buy it!

[socalgasking]

Originally Posted by robbys3m3

buy it!

Unfortunately my wife already said no. Just thought I would pass this info along in case someone is looking.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by socalgasking

San Diego CA

BMW of El Cajon

That's a dealership that usually marks up prices on their cars and get away with it. They were selling their first M2s for 5K to 10K over MSRP.

Funny how they are having to discount a limited production car. However, I really do think they should be able to find someone to buy the GTS at 115K. Will be really surprised if they have to do a dealer transfer.

[stevehifi]

I bought my 2008 E90 M3 from BMW El Cajon, the dealer is kind of remote for the socal area, but there's still alot of buyers out there. (hey I found them). Not surprised your wife axed the suggestion.. double the price of an M4 is a hard pill to swallow.

[Miamistv]

I am not sure why everyone quotes an GTS as double the price of an M4. M4s push into the 80s and 90s when they have equipment in addition to tires. Moreover, power always costs. The GTS has much more power and in my opinion is well priced. The GTS drivers will agree, I believe. As I mentioned before, this is a car for fun and not a daily driver. Therefore, most people will pass it up because they need their daily driver to be fun too. This car should shake out as one of the BMW classics because of it's looks and driving characteristics.

[RPChan]

Originally Posted by socalgasking

My local dealer offered me their GTS for 115k. That is a substantial discount off the 133k MSRP. Sounds like dealers are having some trouble unloading this car. What do you guys think?

See the e36 M3 Lightweight in 1996. See the Z8 in 2003. Now try to buy either one. Same situation different car.

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by RPChan

See the e36 M3 Lightweight in 1996. See the Z8 in 2003. Now try to buy either one. Same situation different car.

Same with M3 gts in 2010/2011. Now selling for close to twice MSRP.
To anyone on the fence, grab an M4 gts while you can!

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

Same with M3 gts in 2010/2011. Now selling for close to twice MSRP.
To anyone on the fence, grab an M4 gts while you can!

Those cars have attributes that don't exist today and won't exist ever again. There is a reason for their current values. The M4 GTS uses new tech...turbo power, electric steering, etc. All of which will be exponentially better in the next gen M4 GTS. What redeeming attribute will help the F82 GTS hold its value, I just don't see one? I would be surprised in 5 years if they are worth over $100k.

[RPChan]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Those cars have attributes that don't exist today and won't exist ever again. There is a reason for their current values. The M4 GTS uses new tech...turbo power, electric steering, etc. All of which will be exponentially better in the next gen M4 GTS. What redeeming attribute will help the F82 GTS hold its value, I just don't see one? I would be surprised in 5 years if they are worth over $100k.

800 made worldwide. Regardless of the improvement of technology the M4 GTS will always be a rare sight. In 15 years many of the 300 in the US will have made its way back to Europe. The remainder will gradually be sought after. By your logic the 1M should be dropping in value now the M2 is out. It hasn't and won't because there were only 740 brought here and it was only made one year. By 2025 the $60k 1M's of today will look like an absolute steal.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by RPChan

800 made worldwide. Regardless of the improvement of technology the M4 GTS will always be a rare sight. In 15 years many of the 300 in the US will have made its way back to Europe. The remainder will gradually be sought after. By your logic the 1M should be dropping in value now the M2 is out. It hasn't and won't because there were only 740 brought here and it was only made one year. By 2025 the $60k 1M's of today will look like an absolute steal.

The 1M is the more analog car, smaller, lighter, hydraulic steering. Most people reguard the N54 as a better mill than the N55. Also like you said above, the 1M is a limited production car unlike the M2. So that isn't a good analogy. The next gen M3/M4 will have an upgraded S55 since all-new bespoke powerplants is no longer a thing. So you will be looking at a M4 GTS that is lighter, more carbon enhancements, with a better S55, more advanced electric steering, etc...etc.

What redeeming attribute will the F82 M4 have that will help it increase its value in the long term, besides the low volume aspect. Also more special models are coming, so the market for these cars will see competition. There is a M2 GTS coming with the S55, that car will be more sought after in 5 years. The resident BMW insider on this forum has hinted at an even more enhanced F82 that slots above the GTS at the end of production. The rarity if the GTS will be lost in all the new cars.

[RPChan]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

The 1M is the more analog car, smaller, lighter, hydraulic steering. Most people reguard the N54 as a better mill than the N55. Also like you said above, the 1M is a limited production car unlike the M2. So that isn't a good analogy. The next gen M3/M4 will have an upgraded S55 since all-new bespoke powerplants is no longer a thing. So you will be looking at a M4 GTS that is lighter, more carbon enhancements, with a better S55, more advanced electric steering, etc...etc.

What redeeming attribute will the F82 M4 have that will help it increase its value in the long term, besides the low volume aspect. Also more special models are coming, so the market for these cars will see competition. There is a M2 GTS coming with the S55, that car will be more sought after in 5 years. The resident BMW insider on this forum has hinted at an even more enhanced F82 that slots above the GTS at the end of production. The rarity if the GTS will be lost in all the new cars.

We will just have to agree to disagree. The GTS isn't some Lime Rock Edition special version. Certainly new cars will be lighter, faster, improved. This car isn't some production M4 with a carbon hood and rear spoiler. It is a bespoke track car that shares the M4 platform. BMW has created these cars over the years for all generations of M3's. All of those cars have increased in value over the years and have been replaced by new cars that the base version has a power plant with more horsepower, etc than the previous special version. The M4 GTS just happens to be the first car of this type that has been released to America. I didn't purchase mine as an investment. I bought it because I love the marque and I want to drive it as it was meant to be driven which is the same reason I have purchased other cars in the past like the Z8 and the 1M. If it becomes a $90k car in the future so be it. Definitely less downside than buying most other cars that will lose significantly more value over the next five years.

[Vintage]

"We" are all obsessed with performance numbers; so when the M4GTS is compared to the on track performance of similarly priced cars there is stiff competition. As a 2016 Viper ACR-E owner, I think that is why this car seems to evoke a lot of disagreement as we keep wanting the M division to blow us and the competition away. They seemingly fall short on a regular basis so we BMW nuts are understandably frustrated.

Regardless, I would love to own a GTS myself and if I found a really good deal on one that was not matte gray, I would buy it. BECAUSE, very, very, very few were made, it has lots of FIRSTS on it (roll cage, water injection, custom suspension billet bits, carbon splitter and wing, OLED tailights, optional carbon wheels, etc.), it looks great to my eye, and I would drive the hell out of it at COTA in full track set up often. I do not obsess over "beating" other cars at HPDE events - I obsess on improving my driving and getting the most out of any car I am in . . . THE GTS would be great for this track duty (although I would have strongly preferred the Euro bucket seats and a MT option!!!!).

There is no doubt in my mind that in 10 years, this car will be worth much more than it is now. Yes, better cars are coming from BMW and they should be - how in the world is that going to hurt the long term value of this car? Cars are always getting "better." This car will be the one that we point to as BMW return to greatness with new and improved M cars coming out using tech and lessons learned from the M4GTS.

On a related note, I wish I had my 2001 M Coupe back . . . even though it was SLOW by modern standards, its value keeps going up.

[Miamistv]

Vintage is correct on some of the special features. All of the naysayers are ones that have not driven the car. If you drive it for more than a quick test drive around the block you will know why this car will appreciate. It is not an M4. I have a "regular" M4 in my garage. I also have an M235 and an M6, in addition to other marques. This car does not drive like a street car. It is tighter and handles in a sharp manner. It look different, smells different, and handles different.

[gabeo]

I've been drooling over that car at BMW of El Cajon for the last few months. Finally got my M4 this past weekend. Not that one though lol

[S65V8]

believe this one actually has the CF wheels as well, for $115k, that's kind of a good deal when it comes to GTSs.

[rosenbergendo]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Those cars have attributes that don't exist today and won't exist ever again. There is a reason for their current values. The M4 GTS uses new tech...turbo power, electric steering, etc. All of which will be exponentially better in the next gen M4 GTS. What redeeming attribute will help the F82 GTS hold its value, I just don't see one? I would be surprised in 5 years if they are worth over $100k.

5 years?? They will be 100k in 6 months. Dealer here sold one for under 110k for a new one.

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by rosenbergendo

5 years?? They will be 100k in 6 months. Dealer here sold one for under 110k for a new one.

They might go down to $110,000 within the next 6 months but it is an extremely limited edition car. Most Crazy expensive BMW limited editions have had the same issue upon release as they are based on the regular model of that series and people do not immediately see the value. Hard to sell at first, then 2 times MSRP 10 years later. No exception.
So for $110,000 (assuming you are right and it goes that low), do you buy an vert M4 with all options or a GTS?
Vert M4 in 10 years: $30,000 at best
Gts: between $150,000 and $200,000 (and you are having a blast in the mean time)