Anyone looking at a Grand Cherokee Trackhawk?

[domino_z]

Hi guys.

These things have just been released in Aus at pretty much the same money as an F80. A new X5 M is another 40-50K AUD so you wouldn't really cross shop them.

Gotta admit I'm more than curious what a 10 yr old platform with 700hp feels like on the road.

Anyone driven one yet?

[nicknaz]

I'm curious as well.

My guess is that it's similar to drive as an E63 wagon due to the weight but slightly worse handling to due the height.

[AlexZTuned]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

I'm curious as well.

My guess is that it's similar to drive as an E63 wagon due to the weight but slightly worse handling to due the height.

I haven't driven a Trackhawk, but there's no way it handles even remotely close to an E63S (I've driven it on track and it will lap faster than the lighter C63S). The Jeep weighs nearly 5300 lbs and ran 12.0 sec @ 115 mph when tested by Car and Driver. An E63S weighs around 4500 lbs and runs low 11's at 126 mph out of the box. The E63S handling is actually pretty phenomenal and has very impressive grip. You can definitely feel the weight when tossing it into a sweeping corner, but the grip and ability to power out of a corner is seriously impressive.

[domino_z]

E63 is in a completely different price category here, pretty much double

The only SUV's for same money are a v6 f pace or a 4 cylinder velar

I've never done the suv daily thing, the only way I'd be convinced to try one is if it's a big hp for the added fun factor

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by domino_z

E63 is in a completely different price category here, pretty much double

The only SUV's for same money are a v6 f pace or a 4 cylinder velar

I've never done the suv daily thing, the only way I'd be convinced to try one is if it's a big hp for the added fun factor

Trackhawk is high 80s and I suppose 90s well equipped. My x5m was 97k discounted. So the prices r pretty close considering the trackhawks probablygoing for full msrp.

[domino_z]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

Trackhawk is high 80s and I suppose 90s well equipped. My x5m was 97k discounted. So the prices r pretty close considering the trackhawks probablygoing for full msrp.

US pricing is completely different to ours in Australia

We have a luxury car tax (on top of other taxes) which compounds, so although the price gap for you might not be much, for us it increases pretty quickly

the trackhawk is $140k ($107 USD) here and the x5m is $190k ($145 usd) new - natch there are dealer stock and demos out there a bit cheaper, but i always order my cars spec'd exactly how i want them, so new is only option

that price difference will buy you a focus rs here - so you'd ask yourself is an x5m worth more to you than a trackhawk to daily + a focus rs to hill bash

[Vectors2final]

Currently have an SRT8 JGC and it's pretty fun. Handles very well with the Adaptive Bilstein dampers.

If we didn't need something bigger, we'd probably jump on it.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by domino_z

US pricing is completely different to ours in Australia

We have a luxury car tax (on top of other taxes) which compounds, so although the price gap for you might not be much, for us it increases pretty quickly

the trackhawk is $140k ($107 USD) here and the x5m is $190k ($145 usd) new - natch there are dealer stock and demos out there a bit cheaper, but i always order my cars spec'd exactly how i want them, so new is only option

that price difference will buy you a focus rs here - so you'd ask yourself is an x5m worth more to you than a trackhawk to daily + a focus rs to hill bash

Oh that’s what u meant. Sorry I didn’t see ur location. What is the purpose of all those taxes? To discourage high priced car purchases?

We have sales tax that’s a percentage of the price and registration fees which is proportional to the value of the car.

[domino_z]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

Oh that’s what u meant. Sorry I didn’t see ur location. What is the purpose of all those taxes? To discourage high priced car purchases?

We have sales tax that’s a percentage of the price and registration fees which is proportional to the value of the car.

the luxury car tax compounds after first ~$50k

it was setup to protect our local car industry, making our local product more competitive against imports - we no longer have a car industry here sadly, but the tax remains as governments won't give up such lucrative policy

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by domino_z

the luxury car tax compounds after first ~$50k

it was setup to protect our local car industry, making our local product more competitive against imports - we no longer have a car industry here sadly, but the tax remains as governments won't give up such lucrative policy

Thanks for the explanation. I should stop reading threads while walking with an iPhone, totally missed the details.

[cotmfk]

Originally Posted by domino_z

the luxury car tax compounds after first ~$50k

it was setup to protect our local car industry, making our local product more competitive against imports - we no longer have a car industry here sadly, but the tax remains as governments won't give up such lucrative policy

Tax more so they can spend more so they can tax more so they can spend more so they....


Every gov't ever.




Trackhawk will be a crazy daily driver. We have a local SRT8 that was s/c. It was destroying so many cars in a straight line. Unbelievable a car so big could be so fast.

[domino_z]

skeptical hippo eyes, but ol bloke hennessy has listed a 1k hp kit

http://hennesseyperformance.com/vehi...ngine-upgrade/

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by AlexZTuned

I haven't driven a Trackhawk, but there's no way it handles even remotely close to an E63S (I've driven it on track and it will lap faster than the lighter C63S). The Jeep weighs nearly 5300 lbs and ran 12.0 sec @ 115 mph when tested by Car and Driver. An E63S weighs around 4500 lbs and runs low 11's at 126 mph out of the box. The E63S handling is actually pretty phenomenal and has very impressive grip. You can definitely feel the weight when tossing it into a sweeping corner, but the grip and ability to power out of a corner is seriously impressive.

I drove my brother's e63 at mosport and it was... ok. Pretty far from "phenomenal". I guess "phenomenal" for a porky wagon with massage seats?

The tires started to give up and get greasy after a few laps and you could feel the weight everywhere.

I didn't realize the trackhawk was that slow. 115 trap speed. I guess good "for an SUV"

Gosh, if the 63 is that much better than trackhawk, I'm not interested in the trackhawk, because the 63 was cool but not something I'd buy with my own money

[AlexZTuned]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

I drove my brother's e63 at mosport and it was... ok. Pretty far from "phenomenal". I guess "phenomenal" for a porky wagon with massage seats?

The tires started to give up and get greasy after a few laps and you could feel the weight everywhere.

I didn't realize the trackhawk was that slow. 115 trap speed. I guess good "for an SUV"

Gosh, if the 63 is that much better than trackhawk, I'm not interested in the trackhawk, because the 63 was cool but not something I'd buy with my own money

Considering it's weight, it's incredibly impressive. You sure you drove the new 18' W213 E63S? The lap time C&D managed in the E63S on the Lightning Lap at VIR this year was FIVE seconds faster than what the M4 lapped in 2014.




The BMW M4 did 3:00.7 at VIR in 2014: https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...p-2014-feature

[nicknaz]

I drove one of facelifted w212 wagons

Agreed it's impressive "for the weight". But that weight makes the experience very uneven during a typical 20-30/min DE session. First lap or two is great but the weight rears its head and the tires can't handle the heat/weight

My opinion, it's best as a super fast street only car (which is why i brought it up as a track hawk alternate) I think future owners need to go into it knowing that. It's not like an f80 that's better tires and front camber plates and brake pads away from being able to handle the "dual purpose" role.

[Lexor1704]

Originally Posted by AlexZTuned

Considering it's weight, it's incredibly impressive. You sure you drove the new 18' W213 E63S? The lap time C&D managed in the E63S on the Lightning Lap at VIR this year was FIVE seconds faster than what the M4 lapped in 2014.




The BMW M4 did 3:07 at VIR in 2014: https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...p-2014-feature

Let me correct that for you, M4 was 3:00.7

[AlexZTuned]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

I drove one of facelifted w212 wagons

Agreed it's impressive "for the weight". But that weight makes the experience very uneven during a typical 20-30/min DE session. First lap or two is great but the weight rears its head and the tires can't handle the heat/weight

My opinion, it's best as a super fast street only car (which is why i brought it up as a track hawk alternate) I think future owners need to go into it knowing that. It's not like an f80 that's better tires and front camber plates and brake pads away from being able to handle the "dual purpose" role.

I’m definitely not saying it’s a track car, but it hustles around corners faster than you’d think. You’re also using a completely different generation as the basis for your thoughts. The W213 and W212 are completely different animals. It’s like driving an E92 to get impressions on an F82. Two totally different cars and handling characteristics.

The C&D lap times I posted even show the lap times to be 5 seconds faster than the last generation E63 and even the F82 M4.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by AlexZTuned

I’m definitely not saying it’s a track car, but it hustles around corners faster than you’d think. You’re also using a completely different generation as the basis for your thoughts. The W213 and W212 are completely different animals. It’s like driving an E92 to get impressions on an F82. Two totally different cars and handling characteristics.

The C&D lap times I posted even show the lap times to be 5 seconds faster than the last generation E63 and even the F82 M4.

Yes I agree, it's fast "for the weight" and seriously impressive that a lux wagon / lowered SUV can do those things

It's still a 45xx lb car right? Pretty sure we will get something similar. Great for a few laps then the pork makes itself known, so it's a very fast autobahn missile that puts up good numbers during 1 flying lap for ///marketing purposes

I certainly won't knock anyone who orders up a 63 wagon or trackhawk or cayenne turbo kind of car. It's fun to have that caliber of performance to go with your daily commute.

I personally would get the lesser version (e.g. Get a diesel grand Cherokee not the track hawk ) to use as a tow vehicle / daily driver and use some of the leftover funds a toy

That's exactly how the 63 wagon ended up with my friend actually. I took a pass when my brother sold it (even with the "family discount" it just wasn't what I was looking for)

[Bahn360Photo]

Nice truck but looks like a base Cherokee

Precious SRT8 is more unique looking

And exactly as you said old body...I wouldn't shell out 85k for any jeep.

[JoeFromPA]

Just a comment on the c63s amg...

I don't get the comment it's "impressive for the weight" - it's mind blowing in terms of published results. This is a 4500 pound AWD wagon running on serious tracks using street tires and lapping faster than Porsche's mid-engined Cayman S which weighs ~1500 pounds less and is, as noted, mid-engined among other things.

You may notice the weight, and it may feel really heavy and not satisfying to drive in that manner.

But man, what the hell, how did they manage to make that vehicle perform like that and why isn't the same translating into much better results for the f8x, 718 Cayman S, etc.

Truly a vehicle that justifies it's outrageous price.

[ClothSeats]

The Grand Cherokee has been out since 2011 with the same platform as the current Mercedes ML. So it's old, but not ancient like the Charger/Challenger.

[LOW4LYF]

Nice toy! Jep ... Definitely on my ”to consider list” for 2019