Z4 3.0 or TT 3.2 Quattro

tl9015 · 06-03-2008, 12:45 AM

I am thinking of buying a demo/slightly used car from Seattle and bringing over to Vancouver (wish I could bring new vehicles but law). Anyways, which one of these car should I get? I know this is zpost blah but I just want your best non biased answer. I am going to post the same thread on TT forum. The important things I care about are performance, reliability, gas milage. Thanks!

NJ-Eric · 06-03-2008, 05:55 AM

It gets cold where you are. The Z4 is better balanced and handles better at the limit, but the TT is a better all weather vehicle. Stick with the TT if you have to ask. Seriously. My Z4 is only a weekend car. For cold weather and winter conditions AWD rules the day. I put my family members in Subarus.

-Eric

Kamal · 06-03-2008, 09:17 AM

I think I can offer a pretty non-bias opinion here... I just picked up my 3.0si coupe about 2 weeks ago... coming from a significantly modified TT Quattro 225 coupe. If you need to drive in any weather, the TT is the winner hands down. I drove my TT every single day of the year, and when there was a foot of snow on the ground, I'd be out and about taking my friends to empty parking lots for the most spectacular looking, yet completely controlled, drifts. Also, if you're looking for performance and are into modding... ditch the 3.2 and go with a 1.8T... a $500 APR or GIAC chip on the 1.8t will get you to ~270 hp and tq.

In terms of gas mileage, my 3.0si engine seems to be as economical as the 1.8T... 23mpg (70% city/30% hwy) and upwards of 30+mpg on the highway at legal limits. I can't speak for the 3.2 TT... but I doubt you can get up to 30+ mpg on the highway.

Reliability wise... I think its hit or miss with BMWs and Audis.. I never had any major issues that I couldn't fix myself by doing research, buying the part, and doing a 15 min. install (temp sensors and the like).

I moved onto the Z4 because I was at 100k and was tired of my "arrest me" red TT... I also got tired of the incredible grip of AWD... I'm young and want to get sideways when I feel like it!

If you have any more questions feel free to ask... I'm at work so I'll be checking in often

takedown8 · 06-03-2008, 09:25 AM

Now you can hear an opinion from a Canadian!

Weather is NOT an issue for you despite what some others have mentioned. Vancouver, as you know, gets very little snow, so unless you take a lot of road trips to snowy areas, that AWD is not that necessary. I drive my Z4 all year round, and we get more snow each winter than you probably see in Vancouver accumulated over 10 years!

Some details you failed to mention however include whether the Z4 is a coupe or convertible and whether the TT is the coupe or convertible. Also you didn't mention what year each of the cars is and what the price difference is.

I'm assuming you're looking at both convertibles?

Now gas-wise, the TT will definitely eat more gas which is probably important to you 'cause your gas prices are usually about 20 cents higher per litre than in Ontario.

Hawkeye · 06-03-2008, 11:41 AM

The only things I think Audi had over the Zed is a more plush ride (not as stiff of suspension) and AWD. I live in Iowa and we get a lot of snow, the Zed is not great to drive on a lot of snow but it does very well in all other conditions. My 3.0si is my daily driver and I love it.

pbdm4k · 06-03-2008, 12:22 PM

Kamal, 1.8T was discontinued. 2.0T is now the 4cyl standard turbo engine with the 3.2 offering more kick. However the 2.0T generally has more mods, but any serious power would come from the VR6 once you start getting crazy into bigger turbos, etc...

Having come from a Quattro 180 TT and still owning a Jetta 1.8T, I must say the Z4 offers so much more balance and performance than the TT or Jetta ever did. Z4 turns better than the TT and all around handles better. The TT's also tend to be FWD biased and won't offer that same RWD feel even though it is considered AWD (Unless you get a ~$1300 Haldex mod to change the bias from front to rear).

I've driven my Z4 through snow with a set of snow tires and I had no problem whatsoever navigating through 2-3" of snow on the road. The car is so well balanced and predictable that there really is no problem with the Z4 being an all weather car.

Kamal · 06-03-2008, 01:04 PM

Yea I know the 1.8t is gone... but the original poster was talking about used cars so I assumed Mk.1... the new TTS is rumored to have 265hp on the 2.0T with AWD... that should be quite nice.

Either way... in terms of balance and handling... Z4 hands down
practicality wise... TT hands down
performance wise... a slight nod to the 3.0si engine... I'm pretty sure my mod'd 225 TT would have put the hurt on the 2.5 and 3.0i engines

Spaceman Spiff · 06-03-2008, 01:21 PM

Link to your post in TT forum? I am curious to see what the Audi bunch has to say

Hawkeye · 06-03-2008, 02:14 PM

Me too actually....

Kamal · 06-03-2008, 02:53 PM

The forum I found to be the best for Audi TTs is Audiworld...

http://forums.audiworld.com/tt/ for Mk.1
http://forums.audiworld.com/tt2/ for Mk.2

Here's a post when I announced my shift to the Z4...
http://forums.audiworld.com/tt/msgs/1764506.phtml

Alot of these guys are in love with the Z4 coupes especially... I think its the design and rarity that does it.

mPlasticDesign · 06-03-2008, 03:19 PM

If we are talking 3.0si, totally unbiased opinion Z4 FTW!!! That engine is awesome! If you are talking coupe versions I would still have to say Z4. More reliable, better performance and definately more fun to drive!
Z4

EdmM3 · 06-03-2008, 06:17 PM

I didn't think the z4 coupe was allowed in Canada (M-coupe yes, z4 coupe NO)

It had something to do that it was not originally imported by BMW Canada, and BMW Canada won't give a letter of admissibility for it. They gave some lame excuse that the bumper height makes non-admissible.

Have you got your admissibility letter yet?

WaZZZZman · 06-04-2008, 10:57 AM

I find it funny the perception folks have about the weather in Vancouver or Seattle for that matter. Folks it does not snow here and it is not cold, get over it. It is wet. I live near Seattle.

My concern when considering either car would be am I going to have it in a garage over night or out in the weather. I would never want to have a soft top exposed to normal conditions here day after day. I believe the soft top would become a soggy mess after a short time.

My Zed is in the garage all the time when it is raining and I only take it out on nice days. So for those 4 days a year I have a ball.

Hawkeye · 06-04-2008, 12:30 PM

Congrats on the new coupe I guess

Spaceman Spiff · 06-04-2008, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaZZZZman

I find it funny the perception folks have about the weather in Vancouver or Seattle for that matter. Folks it does not snow here and it is not cold, get over it. It is wet. I live near Seattle.

My concern when considering either car would be am I going to have it in a garage over night or out in the weather. I would never want to have a soft top exposed to normal conditions here day after day. I believe the soft top would become a soggy mess after a short time.

My Zed is in the garage all the time when it is raining and I only take it out on nice days. So for those 4 days a year I have a ball.

I go to Seattle often since my firm's Seattle based and it is freaking cold! I even saw snow back in January (first week of Jan). I don't know how often it snows but it is really cold for sure

rc'Z · 06-04-2008, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tl9015

I am thinking of buying a demo/slightly used car from Seattle and bringing over to Vancouver (wish I could bring new vehicles but law). Anyways, which one of these car should I get? I know this is zpost blah but I just want your best non biased answer. I am going to post the same thread on TT forum. The important things I care about are performance, reliability, gas milage. Thanks!

Your question is really not very good, and folks can only tell you their choice of a avehicle. If you really want some good advice, you should tell us what you are looking for in a sports car, what you expect from a sports car, what you need to get from a sports car. If you don't provide some criteria, you might just as well flip a coin.

Spaceman Spiff · 06-04-2008, 01:36 PM

I found a review: http://fifthgear.five.tv/jsp/5gmain....=489&pageid=-1

Summary: Zed performs better but TT has lower CTO and is more practical (duh!)

NJ-Eric · 06-04-2008, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by takedown8

Now you can hear an opinion from a Canadian!

Weather is NOT an issue for you despite what some others have mentioned.

Live and learn.

-Eric

Dammmittt · 06-04-2008, 07:36 PM

If you want a souped up VW Beetle, get the TT.

WaZZZZman · 06-05-2008, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spaceman Spiff

I go to Seattle often since my firm's Seattle based and it is freaking cold! I even saw snow back in January (first week of Jan). I don't know how often it snows but it is really cold for sure

Well I go to LA too and it is too damn hot. Depends on how you define cold. 40 degrees most winter days is not cold. 15 below is cold.

mPlasticDesign · 06-05-2008, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dammmittt

If you want a souped up VW Beetle, get the TT.

True be dat!

Kamal · 06-06-2008, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dammmittt

If you want a souped up VW Beetle, get the TT.

y'all some haterz

Oh well, I sold my glorified Beetle for a Z4 Coupe

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NJ-Eric Private 0 Rep 51 Posts Drives: Montego Blue Z4 3.0Si Coupe Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Now living in TX iTrader: (0)	It gets cold where you are. The Z4 is better balanced and handles better at the limit, but the TT is a better all weather vehicle. Stick with the TT if you have to ask. Seriously. My Z4 is only a weekend car. For cold weather and winter conditions AWD rules the day. I put my family members in Subarus. -Eric
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Kamal Indian Stig 29 Rep 1,002 Posts Drives: '03 540i M, '11 Ducati M796 Join Date: May 2008 Location: StL/CoMO iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 BMW 135i [7.56] 2011 BMW 328i [8.00]	I think I can offer a pretty non-bias opinion here... I just picked up my 3.0si coupe about 2 weeks ago... coming from a significantly modified TT Quattro 225 coupe. If you need to drive in any weather, the TT is the winner hands down. I drove my TT every single day of the year, and when there was a foot of snow on the ground, I'd be out and about taking my friends to empty parking lots for the most spectacular looking, yet completely controlled, drifts. Also, if you're looking for performance and are into modding... ditch the 3.2 and go with a 1.8T... a $500 APR or GIAC chip on the 1.8t will get you to ~270 hp and tq. In terms of gas mileage, my 3.0si engine seems to be as economical as the 1.8T... 23mpg (70% city/30% hwy) and upwards of 30+mpg on the highway at legal limits. I can't speak for the 3.2 TT... but I doubt you can get up to 30+ mpg on the highway. Reliability wise... I think its hit or miss with BMWs and Audis.. I never had any major issues that I couldn't fix myself by doing research, buying the part, and doing a 15 min. install (temp sensors and the like). I moved onto the Z4 because I was at 100k and was tired of my "arrest me" red TT... I also got tired of the incredible grip of AWD... I'm young and want to get sideways when I feel like it! If you have any more questions feel free to ask... I'm at work so I'll be checking in often
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takedown8 Major 56 Rep 1,068 Posts Drives: 2005 BMW Z4 3.0i Join Date: May 2007 Location: Seattle, WA iTrader: (0)	Now you can hear an opinion from a Canadian! Weather is NOT an issue for you despite what some others have mentioned. Vancouver, as you know, gets very little snow, so unless you take a lot of road trips to snowy areas, that AWD is not that necessary. I drive my Z4 all year round, and we get more snow each winter than you probably see in Vancouver accumulated over 10 years! Some details you failed to mention however include whether the Z4 is a coupe or convertible and whether the TT is the coupe or convertible. Also you didn't mention what year each of the cars is and what the price difference is. I'm assuming you're looking at both convertibles? Now gas-wise, the TT will definitely eat more gas which is probably important to you 'cause your gas prices are usually about 20 cents higher per litre than in Ontario.
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pbdm4k Lieutenant Colonel 75 Rep 1,689 Posts Drives: 2010 335d Join Date: May 2007 Location: North of the Border iTrader: (3)	Kamal, 1.8T was discontinued. 2.0T is now the 4cyl standard turbo engine with the 3.2 offering more kick. However the 2.0T generally has more mods, but any serious power would come from the VR6 once you start getting crazy into bigger turbos, etc... Having come from a Quattro 180 TT and still owning a Jetta 1.8T, I must say the Z4 offers so much more balance and performance than the TT or Jetta ever did. Z4 turns better than the TT and all around handles better. The TT's also tend to be FWD biased and won't offer that same RWD feel even though it is considered AWD (Unless you get a ~$1300 Haldex mod to change the bias from front to rear). I've driven my Z4 through snow with a set of snow tires and I had no problem whatsoever navigating through 2-3" of snow on the road. The car is so well balanced and predictable that there really is no problem with the Z4 being an all weather car. __________________ 2010 BMW 335d "Ha! She wants the D." 2006 VW Jetta 2.5 Once upon a time... '03 VW GTI, '99 Audi A4 1.8TQ, '00 VW Jetta 1.85T, '09 BMW 335i xDrive, '04 BMW Z4 3.0i, '01 Audi TT 1.8T, '04 Volvo S80 2.5T
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Kamal Indian Stig 29 Rep 1,002 Posts Drives: '03 540i M, '11 Ducati M796 Join Date: May 2008 Location: StL/CoMO iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 BMW 135i [7.56] 2011 BMW 328i [8.00]	Yea I know the 1.8t is gone... but the original poster was talking about used cars so I assumed Mk.1... the new TTS is rumored to have 265hp on the 2.0T with AWD... that should be quite nice. Either way... in terms of balance and handling... Z4 hands down practicality wise... TT hands down performance wise... a slight nod to the 3.0si engine... I'm pretty sure my mod'd 225 TT would have put the hurt on the 2.5 and 3.0i engines
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Spaceman Spiff Captain 86 Rep 847 Posts Drives: R8, 996 C2, Z4MR (sold) Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SF Bay iTrader: (1)	Link to your post in TT forum? I am curious to see what the Audi bunch has to say
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Hawkeye Brigadier General 2070 Rep 4,365 Posts Drives: '07 Z4 Coupe, '21 X3, '16 GMC Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Iowa iTrader: (0) Garage List 2016 GMC Sierra SLT [10.00] 2008 Yamaha R6 [9.00]	Me too actually.... __________________ 2007 Z4 3.0si Coupe • 6 MT • Black Saphire Metallic • PP • SP 2016 GMC Sierra SLT Z71 Premium Plus 4x4 2017 Harley StreetGlide • Denim Black • V&H Tune 2021 BMW x30i • Phytonic Blue Metallic • Fully loaded
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Kamal Indian Stig 29 Rep 1,002 Posts Drives: '03 540i M, '11 Ducati M796 Join Date: May 2008 Location: StL/CoMO iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 BMW 135i [7.56] 2011 BMW 328i [8.00]	The forum I found to be the best for Audi TTs is Audiworld... http://forums.audiworld.com/tt/ for Mk.1 http://forums.audiworld.com/tt2/ for Mk.2 Here's a post when I announced my shift to the Z4... http://forums.audiworld.com/tt/msgs/1764506.phtml Alot of these guys are in love with the Z4 coupes especially... I think its the design and rarity that does it.
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mPlasticDesign Major General 684 Rep 5,069 Posts Drives: BMW 230i Msport w/LSD Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Astral Projecting: ∞ 23.516 -122 02.625 0242.101 ĕv'rē-hwâr' iTrader: (16) Garage List 2009 Porsche 911 997.2 [10.00] 2019 Hyundai N (Sold) [10.00] 2013 BMW M3 (Sold) [10.00] 2011 1M Coupe (Sold) [8.78] 2008 E90 M3 (Sold) [8.60] 2007 Z4 Mcpe (Sold) [9.50] 2005 BMW M3 (Sold) [10.00]	If we are talking 3.0si, totally unbiased opinion Z4 FTW!!! That engine is awesome! If you are talking coupe versions I would still have to say Z4. More reliable, better performance and definately more fun to drive! Z4 __________________
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EdmM3 Enlisted Member 3 Rep 44 Posts Drives: 635CSi, Z4, 330xi, 530i, E90M3 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Edmonton, Ab, Canada iTrader: (1)	Canadian Import I didn't think the z4 coupe was allowed in Canada (M-coupe yes, z4 coupe NO) It had something to do that it was not originally imported by BMW Canada, and BMW Canada won't give a letter of admissibility for it. They gave some lame excuse that the bumper height makes non-admissible. Have you got your admissibility letter yet?
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WaZZZZman WaZZZZman 0 Rep 21 Posts Drives: 2004 Z4 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near OZ iTrader: (0)	I find it funny the perception folks have about the weather in Vancouver or Seattle for that matter. Folks it does not snow here and it is not cold, get over it. It is wet. I live near Seattle. My concern when considering either car would be am I going to have it in a garage over night or out in the weather. I would never want to have a soft top exposed to normal conditions here day after day. I believe the soft top would become a soggy mess after a short time. My Zed is in the garage all the time when it is raining and I only take it out on nice days. So for those 4 days a year I have a ball. __________________ The Wizard " Nobody gets in to see the Wizard, not nobody! 2004 BMW Z4 2.5i Titanium Silver http://www.w3oz.com/my2004z4.htm
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Dammmittt My favorite sign. 169 Rep 4,333 Posts Drives: 2007 M Coupe Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Der Autobahnen iTrader: (0)	If you want a souped up VW Beetle, get the TT. __________________ 07 ///M Coupe (Premium Package) Black Saphire Ext. Imola Red Int. Best Website EVER!
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