Winter Tire Opinion: Staggered Pirelli Serie II or Squared Michelin PA4?

[Kief]

I need to find a hobby, b/c I've been spending way too much time debating which direction to go regarding replacing my winter tires.

My current winter setup (I know downsizing is the general rule, but too long a story):
HRE FF01
19x9 et25 w/Pirelli Sottozero Serie II 255/35/19
19x10 et40 " " 275/35/19

The Pirellis are good in cold dry/wet, but they aren't rated very well in the white stuff. In all honesty, I really don't find them markedly different from years ago when I would use Conti DWS as my "winter setup" on previous rwd BMWs. My winter driving needs aren't that severe. Mostly cold dry/wet with no more than a few inches of snow if I am caught off guard. I debated getting the DWS again, but I just find this counter intuitive to go through the expense/effort of getting an A/S tire to serve only for the winter season. There's also the saying that the worse winter tire is still better than the best A/S tire with winter capabilities.

(1) The Serie II in stock sizes are backordered and always seem to be very limited in availability, so I'm considering going with M2 sizes to maintain the staggered appearance:
245/35/19
265/35/19

+Staggered set up for aesthetic purposes
+10mm narrower on each corner for slightly (unlikely) better winter traction
+3.5mm drop front/rear!
+Rotate side to side

-Not rated well in the white stuff
-Outdated
-Previous experience w/Pirelli's poor customer service

I have considered the updated Sottozero 3 in 255;275, but they come in different speed/load ratings front/rear, and they are directional, so no side-to-side rotation. But they rated significantly better in the white stuff.

(2) Michelin Aplin PA4 but squared 255/35/19 on all four corners:

+#1 rated winter performance tire
+Michelin reputation
+BMW Star, resale advantage
+Tread warranty for a winter tire
+Comparatively narrower at 255mm rears
+Rotate side to side

-Relatively $$$
-Stretched appearance
-Harder to replace if needed?
-Slight rear drop compared to front

If I could find 255;275 or 245/265, or even 265 squared with the Michelins, I'd probably go with them, but availability in those sizes here in the States isn't happening.

Attached are some pics of how the 255/35/19 Aplin PA4 look on 437M 19x9; 19x10 wheels. The last pic is of a 255/35/19 Bridgestone tire on a 10 wheel which IMO looks bad. Apparently the Michelins have a more square shoulder so they don't appear as stretched.

Thoughts?

[Kief]

Tommyvee thanks for voting.
Any specific reason(s) why you voted the way you did? Do you run the same setup?

[Jockey]

I'm curious how this turns out. I'm moving to Utah in November and debating what I'm going to do.

The stock PSSs on my 437s are getting low in life so they'll need to be replaced soon so I'm debating turning them into my winter rims and getting another set of still undecided summer rims.

Or replacing the PSSs on the 437s with a summer tire again and getting an 18" wheel winter setup.

Decisions

[instarand]

I had Pirelli Sotozero II's on my 911 - they were the only winter tire option for my wheels. They were Porsche N rated so I wasn't concerned.

Perhaps my sample size is too small, but I had a very bad experience with these tires.

-they were hard to balance properly. I had to take several trips back to Porsche dealer and they told me that these tires always give them trouble.

-once balanced properly, they were VERY quick to "flat spot" in my garage. Even just overnight, the car would shake and vibrate at highway speeds until the tires warmed up, at which point they were OK.

As I did more and more research I found others complaining that those Pirellis were very "finicky" and difficult at times.

Others posted reviews saying they had no experiences like I did and theirs were fine.

Others commented that QC at Pirelli is subpar so some tires come out good and others don't.

I told myself I'd never buy Pirelli's again if another tire was available.

My experience isn't necessarily the truth across the board - just my experience.

[Agent11br]

Hey Kief, I'm like you when it comes to tires... spent wayyy too much time researching for winter. But I have my two minions with me often for school drop off/pickup/hockey/dance/etc so I wanted the best I could get.

I know it's not in your list, but did you take a look at the Blizzak LM001 model? They weren't really available a few years ago but had been battled testing in Europe. I acquired a second 513M set and put a square setup on in 255/40R18 sizing.

I've ran these tires now two winter seasons here in Michigan. Let me tell you, we get some craptastic weather. Temps fluctuate so we get a healthy mix of ice, slush, dustings, light snow, and deep snow. I have had nothing but success with these tires. Our roads are known to be very poorly maintained and (knock on wood) no sidewall bubbles, etc after hitting potholes and ruts etc.

I'm a Blizzak fanboy, have used them for 8+ years now. Three years on my e92 335i, three years on my e90 335i, and then two on the M with season three coming up here shortly.

Unsure if they would have what sizing you are considering, but thought if you hadn't taken a look, it would be worth your time. They do have them in 255/35R19:

https://www.bridgestonetire.com/tire/blizzak-lm001

Best of luck this winter!

[Kief]

Originally Posted by Jockey

I'm curious how this turns out. I'm moving to Utah in November and debating what I'm going to do.

The stock PSSs on my 437s are getting low in life so they'll need to be replaced soon so I'm debating turning them into my winter rims and getting another set of still undecided summer rims.

Or replacing the PSSs on the 437s with a summer tire again and getting an 18" wheel winter setup.

Decisions

If I were in your shoes (or tires-lame I know), I would replace the PSS and keep your 437Ms as your summer. Then depending on your winter driving needs in Utah (are you even sure yet), pick up a nice 18 or 19" Apex wheel and go square rubber. I've done this several times before, but I got a deal on my HREs last year that I couldn't pass up.

[Kief]

Originally Posted by instarand

I had Pirelli Sotozero II's on my 911 - they were the only winter tire option for my wheels. They were Porsche N rated so I wasn't concerned.

Perhaps my sample size is too small, but I had a very bad experience with these tires.

-they were hard to balance properly. I had to take several trips back to Porsche dealer and they told me that these tires always give them trouble.

-once balanced properly, they were VERY quick to "flat spot" in my garage. Even just overnight, the car would shake and vibrate at highway speeds until the tires warmed up, at which point they were OK.

As I did more and more research I found others complaining that those Pirellis were very "finicky" and difficult at times.

Others posted reviews saying they had no experiences like I did and theirs were fine.

Others commented that QC at Pirelli is subpar so some tires come out good and others don't.

I told myself I'd never buy Pirelli's again if another tire was available.

My experience isn't necessarily the truth across the board - just my experience.

Thanks for the input.
I seem to recall having issues with balancing on my first set of Pirellis Serie II tires as well. And I too told myself I would never buy another set of these, but here I am again...

[Kief]

Originally Posted by Agent11br

Hey Kief, I'm like you when it comes to tires... spent wayyy too much time researching for winter. But I have my two minions with me often for school drop off/pickup/hockey/dance/etc so I wanted the best I could get.

I know it's not in your list, but did you take a look at the Blizzak LM001 model? They weren't really available a few years ago but had been battled testing in Europe. I acquired a second 513M set and put a square setup on in 255/40R18 sizing.

I've ran these tires now two winter seasons here in Michigan. Let me tell you, we get some craptastic weather. Temps fluctuate so we get a healthy mix of ice, slush, dustings, light snow, and deep snow. I have had nothing but success with these tires. Our roads are known to be very poorly maintained and (knock on wood) no sidewall bubbles, etc after hitting potholes and ruts etc.

I'm a Blizzak fanboy, have used them for 8+ years now. Three years on my e92 335i, three years on my e90 335i, and then two on the M with season three coming up here shortly.

Unsure if they would have what sizing you are considering, but thought if you hadn't taken a look, it would be worth your time. They do have them in 255/35R19:

https://www.bridgestonetire.com/tire/blizzak-lm001

Best of luck this winter!

Thanks for sharing...Yeah, I have used Blizzaks before LM32, but the sizes I'm looking at are unavailable (currently), and I want to act now. If I run a 255/35/19 on a 10" wheel, I definitely want a tire that runs a bit wider and is squared to avoid as much of that ugly stretched look as possible. The pics of the PA4s give me a good idea of what they will look like, and a few members here have run them without issue Draper OF Hero--BTW, thanks for the pics you guys

[knightarmor]

I ran a set of Michelin alpins last season (picked up used locally in a 245/45-18 square setup). While I love the square setup I didn't like the tires (granted they were four years old but still had plenty of tread left on them). Traction was non-existant in about 1" of snow and even though the M gave great feedback for when I was loosing traction I felt like I could only crawl when driving in the snow.
I'll be picking up a set of blizzaks for this coming season as theyve been recommended to me by several people and the fact they are being reccomended in this thread makes me feel good about choosing them for my next winter tire.

My recommendation would be to get an 18" square setup to open up your tire options otherwise you're just going to end up with another mediocre set of winter tires.

[Kief]

Originally Posted by knightarmor

I ran a set of Michelin alpins last season (picked up used locally in a 245/45-18 square setup). While I love the square setup I didn't like the tires (granted they were four years old but still had plenty of tread left on them). Traction was non-existant in about 1" of snow and even though the M gave great feedback for when I was loosing traction I felt like I could only crawl when driving in the snow.
I'll be picking up a set of blizzaks for this coming season as theyve been recommended to me by several people and the fact they are being reccomended in this thread makes me feel good about choosing them for my next winter tire.

My recommendation would be to get an 18" square setup to open up your tire options otherwise you're just going to end up with another mediocre set of winter tires.

Thanks for replying.

When people mention how good Blizzaks are (or any brand for that matter), it's important to remember that there are winter performance Blizzaks and studless ice/snow Blizzaks (I'm not suggesting you don't already know this). Often folks don't distinguish which Blizzaks they are using and this then confuses people when they install winter performance Blizzaks and cannot get up an incline with several inches of snow.

I know ever tire is a compromise, but if the whole point of a winter tire is to be used in any sort of wintry weather, IMHO we should all settle for a true studless ice/snow tire.

It would be very interesting if someone/Tire Rack compared the tried and true Continental DWS06 to any winter performance tire to determine how much better the winter performance rubber is. Of course this would only apply to those of us who drive in an occasional few inches.

BTW, I typically run a non-staggered square winter setup, but as I mentioned above, I got too good a deal on these HREs

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by Kief

If I were in your shoes (or tires-lame I know), I would replace the PSS and keep your 437Ms as your summer. Then depending on your winter driving needs in Utah (are you even sure yet), pick up a nice 18 or 19" Apex wheel and go square rubber. I've done this several times before, but I got a deal on my HREs last year that I couldn't pass up.

I've been looking at the Apex wheel option. I'll be living in the mountains so snow will be a concern but I have a Jeep for when it really snows. I just don't want the M3 to sit in the garage for 4-5 months. But since I'm going to a summer and winter setup anyways, it seems silly to go to an A/S tire on the winter setup since, like you said, even a bad winter tire is better than a good A/S tire in the muck.

[Kief]

Originally Posted by Jockey

I've been looking at the Apex wheel option. I'll be living in the mountains so snow will be a concern but I have a Jeep for when it really snows. I just don't want the M3 to sit in the garage for 4-5 months. But since I'm going to a summer and winter setup anyways, it seems silly to go to an A/S tire on the winter setup since, like you said, even a bad winter tire is better than a good A/S tire in the muck.

I would highly recommend an APEX wheel. I loved my previous ARC-8s. Nothing beats them for the quality, weight, construction, and price.
I really want to believe what I said/heard about A/S vs winter performance, but there really is pros/cons to both--so long as you don't have to rely solely on the M for really bad days. I too have a backup plan for awful days...my wife's X5M with winters installed

And so I continue to teeter over winter performance or DWS06 (should have added that to the damn poll!)

[Tommyvee]

Originally Posted by Kief

Tommyvee thanks for voting.
Any specific reason(s) why you voted the way you did? Do you run the same setup?

I run a square set of PA4s 255/35/19, but on four front 437M wheels, so I don't have the stretch issue. I'm just happy with the tires, for a performance snow tire they've worked well in the snow for me, they aren't too noisy and the car handles pretty decently despite having less rubber on the rear wheels.

[Kief]

Doh...I accidentally voted when I was trying to see which forum members voted!

Expert@ApexRaceParts curious why you voted for the square Michelins? You really aren't bothered by the stretched appearance on the 10" rear wheels?

[Expert@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by Kief

I would highly recommend an APEX wheel. I loved my previous ARC-8s. Nothing beats them for the quality, weight, construction, and price.
I really want to believe what I said/heard about A/S vs winter performance, but there really is pros/cons to both--so long as you don't have to rely solely on the M for really bad days. I too have a backup plan for awful days...my wife's X5M with winters installed

And so I continue to teeter over winter performance or DWS06 (should have added that to the damn poll!)

Thank you for the kind words! So happy to hear that you loved your ARC-8’s!

Just a note before I dive in on the topic of winter wheels and tires, we would not recommend the 18" ARC-8 for the F8x chassis as they do not provide adequate clearance for the OEM brakes. We do offer the 18" EC-7 design which does offer plenty of clearance.

Most people don’t know this but we actually do offer winter wheel and tire packages. We offer a special package price once a year via group buy. We are planning to run that deal again in the coming weeks, so keep your eyes peeled for that! We will be sure to share that deal with the community via the forums very soon.

Below I’ve added recommended winter tire fitments along with some other info to take into consideration when spec’ing your winter setup.

When shopping for winter wheels and tires, a different approach must be taken in terms of wheel and tire width. Wide winter wheels and tires are not an upgrade. Winter tires are much more effective when they can cut through snow and ice. A wider tread will distribute the weight of your car across the surface of the snow. Wider tread is is beneficial to stability and handling on a dry road, but it can have serious consequences when the road surface is covered in layers of snow and ice. Winter tire traction all stems from how well it can cut through the slush and reach the road surface below. A narrow tire is the key to that equation. We also always recommend utilizing a square fitment over a staggered fitment when it comes to a winter wheel and tire package.

Winter tires are made from a softer rubber compound that remains flexible as temperatures drop. These compounds allow the tires to conform better to the varying road surface, giving you better traction. Another feature unique to winter tires are their tread patterns, which feature wider grooves to enhance traction on snow and ice. The specially shaped siping in the tread blocks provide channels to drain water and expel snow much quicker than your typical all-season tire.These slits help to avoid hydroplaning and offer improved grip in tricky conditions. Winter tires can offer a traction increase of over 50 percent when compared to an all-season tire. This traction increase can very well be the deciding factor during that emergency stop to avoid an accident in slippery conditions.

When installing winter tires, a matching set of four tires will help maintain balanced and controlled handling in winter driving conditions. Do not install winter tires on only one end of your car or mix and match with non winter tires.

Below are a few F8X M3/M4 specific fitments that we recommend, along with a few links to show the fitment listed.

18” Square Fitment

EC-7 18x9” ET31
- Profile 2 Medium Concavity

Studless Ice & Snow
- 245/40-18 Michelin X-ICE Xl3
- 245/45-18 Michelin X-ICE Xl3
- 255/45-18 Michelin X-ICE Xl3

Performance Winter
- 245/40-18 Michelin Pilot PA4

For F8X M owners with standard steel brakes, the 18” APEX EC-7 is the perfect candidate when outfitting your car for the upcoming winter. This wheel is constructed with a focus on durability and brake clearance, allowing it to go places most 18” wheels on the market simply cannot. For the F8X M, we suggest the 18x9” ET31 on all four corners, which provides a square fitment with the right amount of inner and outer clearance for cars at OEM ride height, and for those who have lowered the car on aftermarket suspension. By running these wheels in a square footprint, you maximize efficiency with the ability to rotate wheels and tires on all four corners. Our EC-7 wheels are very user friendly, compatible with OEM mounting hardware, OEM center caps and TPMS sensors.

The 245/45-18 studless ice and snow tire is our recommendation for enthusiasts tackling more severe weather conditions, as the slimmer tire widths are proven to be more effective in those environments. Enthusiast driving in mild winter conditions will likely opt for one of our performance winter tires.

Photos:

EC-7 18x9” ET31 - Race Silver
- 245/45-18 tires

EC-7 18x9” ET31 - Satin Black
- 255/40-18 tires

19” Square Fitments

EC-7 19x9.5” ET22
- Profile 3 Deep Concavity

Studless Ice & Snow
- 255/35-19 Yokohama Ice Guard IG52C

Performance Winter
- 255/35-19 Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4

For cars equipped with the carbon ceramic brake option, it can be hard to find winter wheels. The barrel shape of our 19” EC-7 clears the CCB’s with a lot of extra clearance. Their clearance is even better than the OEM wheels, which is important when you’re driving through slush and dirt.

This specification provides great inner and outer clearance for cars at OEM ride height, and for those who have lowered their cars on an aftermarket suspension. As stated above, these 19" EC-7 will also have no issues clearing the OEM Carbon Ceramic brake system (BMW CCB).

Photo:

EC-7 19x9.5” ET22 - Anthracite
- 255/35-19 tires

I hope this helps make shopping for winter tires easier. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

- Max

[Kief]

Originally Posted by Expert@ApexRaceParts

Thank you for the kind words! So happy to hear that you loved your ARC-8's!

Just a note before I dive in on the topic of winter wheels and tires, we would not recommend the 18" ARC-8 for the F8x chassis as they do not provide adequate clearance for the OEM brakes. We do offer the 18" EC-7 design which does offer plenty of clearance.

Most people don't know this but we actually do offer winter wheel and tire packages. We offer a special package price once a year via group buy. We are planning to run that deal again in the coming weeks, so keep your eyes peeled for that! We will be sure to share that deal with the community via the forums very soon.

Below I've added recommended winter tire fitments along with some other info to take into consideration when spec'ing your winter setup.

When shopping for winter wheels and tires, a different approach must be taken in terms of wheel and tire width. Wide winter wheels and tires are not an upgrade. Winter tires are much more effective when they can cut through snow and ice. A wider tread will distribute the weight of your car across the surface of the snow. Wider tread is is beneficial to stability and handling on a dry road, but it can have serious consequences when the road surface is covered in layers of snow and ice. Winter tire traction all stems from how well it can cut through the slush and reach the road surface below. A narrow tire is the key to that equation. We also always recommend utilizing a square fitment over a staggered fitment when it comes to a winter wheel and tire package.

Winter tires are made from a softer rubber compound that remains flexible as temperatures drop. These compounds allow the tires to conform better to the varying road surface, giving you better traction. Another feature unique to winter tires are their tread patterns, which feature wider grooves to enhance traction on snow and ice. The specially shaped siping in the tread blocks provide channels to drain water and expel snow much quicker than your typical all-season tire.These slits help to avoid hydroplaning and offer improved grip in tricky conditions. Winter tires can offer a traction increase of over 50 percent when compared to an all-season tire. This traction increase can very well be the deciding factor during that emergency stop to avoid an accident in slippery conditions.

When installing winter tires, a matching set of four tires will help maintain balanced and controlled handling in winter driving conditions. Do not install winter tires on only one end of your car or mix and match with non winter tires.

Below are a few F8X M3/M4 specific fitments that we recommend, along with a few links to show the fitment listed.

18" Square Fitment

EC-7 18x9" ET31
- Profile 2 Medium Concavity

Studless Ice & Snow
- 245/40-18 Michelin X-ICE Xl3
- 245/45-18 Michelin X-ICE Xl3
- 255/45-18 Michelin X-ICE Xl3

Performance Winter
- 245/40-18 Michelin Pilot PA4

For F8X M owners with standard steel brakes, the 18" APEX EC-7 is the perfect candidate when outfitting your car for the upcoming winter. This wheel is constructed with a focus on durability and brake clearance, allowing it to go places most 18" wheels on the market simply cannot. For the F8X M, we suggest the 18x9" ET31 on all four corners, which provides a square fitment with the right amount of inner and outer clearance for cars at OEM ride height, and for those who have lowered the car on aftermarket suspension. By running these wheels in a square footprint, you maximize efficiency with the ability to rotate wheels and tires on all four corners. Our EC-7 wheels are very user friendly, compatible with OEM mounting hardware, OEM center caps and TPMS sensors.

The 245/45-18 studless ice and snow tire is our recommendation for enthusiasts tackling more severe weather conditions, as the slimmer tire widths are proven to be more effective in those environments. Enthusiast driving in mild winter conditions will likely opt for one of our performance winter tires.

Photos:

EC-7 18x9" ET31 - Race Silver
- 245/45-18 tires

EC-7 18x9" ET31 - Satin Black
- 255/40-18 tires

19" Square Fitments

EC-7 19x9.5" ET22
- Profile 3 Deep Concavity

Studless Ice & Snow
- 255/35-19 Yokohama Ice Guard IG52C

Performance Winter
- 255/35-19 Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4

For cars equipped with the carbon ceramic brake option, it can be hard to find winter wheels. The barrel shape of our 19" EC-7 clears the CCB's with a lot of extra clearance. Their clearance is even better than the OEM wheels, which is important when you're driving through slush and dirt.

This specification provides great inner and outer clearance for cars at OEM ride height, and for those who have lowered their cars on an aftermarket suspension. As stated above, these 19" EC-7 will also have no issues clearing the OEM Carbon Ceramic brake system (BMW CCB).

Photo:

EC-7 19x9.5" ET22 - Anthracite
- 255/35-19 tires

I hope this helps make shopping for winter tires easier. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

- Max

Thanks Max. Good info to share with the community.

Like I mentioned before, bc I got such a great deal on my 19" staggered HRE winter setup, I'm going to continue to use them for a few more seasons. I almost had them sold, but then the guy bailed after adding up the costs.

I previously ran Apex 19" ARCs 19x9.5 et22 with 255/35/19 Blizzak LM32 squared and loved it then!!!

So guys I'm still curious your thoughts on the square Mich vs staggered Pirelli. Throughout the day I find myself about to pull the trigger on the Mich but then find myself changing my mind and giving Pirelli another try. Like I said, I need to find a hobby!!

[Expert@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by Kief

Thanks Max. Good info to share with the community.

Like I mentioned before, bc I got such a great deal on my 19" staggered HRE winter setup, I'm going to continue to use them for a few more seasons. I almost had them sold, but then the guy bailed after adding up the costs.

I previously ran Apex 19" ARCs 19x9.5 et22 with 255/35/19 Blizzak LM32 squared and loved it then!!!

So guys I'm still curious your thoughts on the square Mich vs staggered Pirelli. Throughout the day I find myself about to pull the trigger on the Mich but then find myself changing my mind and giving Pirelli another try. Like I said, I need to find a hobby!!

Kief,

We would not recommend running a staggered setup in the snow for any reason when a square option is available. While the 255 width tire, stretched on a 10" wheel is not the ideal setup, having a squared setup will prove to be beneficial. Especially when it comes to real world performance.

As you can attest to, I am sure, the balance and performance advantages of the squared setup were quite noticeable. The 19x10 ET40 with a 255 width tire might not LOOK great but when you are caught in a surprise snow storm, we would rather have the better performance of the square fitment, over the aesthetics of a staggered fitment.

I hope that clears up any confusion in the polling selection!

- Max

[Kief]

Originally Posted by Expert@ApexRaceParts

Kief,

We would not recommend running a staggered setup in the snow for any reason when a square option is available. While the 255 width tire, stretched on a 10" wheel is not the ideal setup, having a squared setup will prove to be beneficial. Especially when it comes to real world performance.

As you can attest to, I am sure, the balance and performance advantages of the squared setup were quite noticeable. The 19x10 ET40 with a 255 width tire might not LOOK great but when you are caught in a surprise snow storm, we would rather have the better performance of the square fitment, over the aesthetics of a staggered fitment.

I hope that clears up any confusion in the polling selection!

- Max

Appreciate it Max

The issue for me, is I'm likely not to get caught in anything over a few inches, so I've always gone with a nice looking winter setup over function. That said, obviously I would want the best setup in case I were caught off guard. If I were in a situation where I encounter measurable snow week after week, the decision would be so much easier. It's this limbo area between cold dry/wet, and a few inches, that makes this decision so much more difficult.

[Kief]

So I found this video from Super Cars of London (SOL) where he fits his M3 with the Alpin PA4 in square spec on his 437M. But someone with a keen eye may be able to see it looks like he went with 255/40/19 instead of 255/35/19 :

[Kief]

Get a load of this horsesh!t I just received officially from Pirelli regarding both their Sottozero 3 and Sottozero Serie II tires!!!

Hello -

With Sottozero 3 we would not suggest this line because the rear size is not the proper load carrying capacity and the speed index is too low.

Also, technically speaking, Pirelli does not produce BMW approved and homologated winter sizes for your M3 19" stagger fitment. The sizes you see in our Sottozero II lineup (while correct for load and speed), are designed with special features for Lamborghini and Aston Martin and do not have the BMW * marking on the sidewall so we would not suggest these fitments as well, because these tires are not designed and tuned to your specialized M3 suspension.

Please see the Tire Replacement section of the attached warranty document for more details.

Regards,
Pirelli Consumer Affairs

[Jockey]

So the Lambo Pirelli tires would explode if put on a BMW?

Italians and their excitement

[Kief]

Originally Posted by Jockey

So the Lambo Pirelli tires would explode if put on a BMW?

Italians and their excitement

What has the world come to in the fear of litigation?!?! But this is a bit outrageous that Pirelli would not even recommend their Serie II. Hell, I currently have the Aston Martin (AM9) version on the winter wheels now and I didn't blow up last season!