Brake Pads with the Best Bite??

[Googone20]

Hey guys, I have been pretty disappointed with the daily driving characteristics of my F15’s brake thus far. I am on nearly brand new OEM brakes all the way around, and the initial bite is pretty weak. My stock E70’s X5 brakes had way more bite than these, and were literally the best SUV brakes I had ever used for daily driving. Even my wife hates the feel of these brakes. She loved the E70’s, and has made several comments since we got the F15. I was thinking it may be as simple as upgrading to a better brake pad with more bite on it. I remember on my Z06 my track pads were insane in terms of bite. It would freak people out when I took them for a ride. What do you guys recommend for a good daily brake pad? Any experience??

[TheUltimateDrivingManiac]

X5 brakes for the North American market are trash - they are too small. Get MPBK.

[Googone20]

Honestly, I loved my E70’s brakes. In the time I owned my E70 as my daily, I had a ATS-V, M6, and Z06 track car with Wilwood 6 pistons. It was great from daily drive duties. I don’t need track brakes to put to work each day. I just want the car to react when I touch the pedal. I like to feel the brake at the initial touch of the brakes. I don’t like to have to stomp them to get the desired reaction.

[turboawd]

I think bmw changed the pad material. Perhaps ceramic now? They dont dust anywhere near as bad as previous models.

[mindcontrollerone]

Originally Posted by Googone20

Hey guys, I have been pretty disappointed with the daily driving characteristics of my F15’s brake thus far. I am on nearly brand new OEM brakes all the way around, and the initial bite is pretty weak. My stock E70’s X5 brakes had way more bite than these, and were literally the best SUV brakes I had ever used for daily driving. Even my wife hates the feel of these brakes. She loved the E70’s, and has made several comments since we got the F15. I was thinking it may be as simple as upgrading to a better brake pad with more bite on it. I remember on my Z06 my track pads were insane in terms of bite. It would freak people out when I took them for a ride. What do you guys recommend for a good daily brake pad? Any experience??

I recently upgraded to these Brembo... could definitely feel the difference!

https://www.tirerack.com/brakes/brak...odClar=M+Sport

[Googone20]

Originally Posted by turboawd

I think bmw changed the pad material. Perhaps ceramic now? They dont dust anywhere near as bad as previous models.

Now that you say this, I wonder if I should just get myself a set of the ORM E70’s pads. That may get me back where I want to be. I am not the biggest fan of ceramic pads. Yes, they do cut down on brake dust. They are also harder and don’t have the brake feel of metallic pads.

[beats]

Originally Posted by TheUltimateDrivingManiac

X5 brakes for the North American market are trash - they are too small. Get MPBK.

Coming from a F25 X3, F15 brakes are great. All relative I suppose.

[Maverik259]

You must have 35i or d. 50i has some of the best braking on the market.

And not doing yourself any favors by comparing it to sport cars with all BBK. It's a 2 ton tank. It's not going stop like a tiny ATS-V and Z06 with 6/4 pot set up.

If you want a real measurable upgrade then go BBK either oem or aftermarket.

[Googone20]

I am well aware of the comparison, but you did not read the point. I loved my 2013 X5 35d brakes, and I don’t like my 2015 X5 35d brakes. Both cars had brand new OEM stock brakes on them. I am very curious in possibly upgrading to the 50i brakes. Having a BBK on my daily driver diesel doesn’t seem like money well spent to me. It’s not really want I need to go back and forth to work. It is just going to increase maintenance costs and replacement costs. I was more curious if a well known pad swap made a huge difference? If the best cost effective brake upgrade is the 50i upgrade, I may be going that way.

[Maverik259]

Originally Posted by Googone20

I am well aware of the comparison, but you did not read the point. I loved my 2013 X5 35d brakes, and I don't like my 2015 X5 35d brakes. Both cars had brand new OEM stock brakes on them. I am very curious in possibly upgrading to the 50i brakes. Having a BBK on my daily driver diesel doesn't seem like money well spent to me. It's not really want I need to go back and forth to work. It is just going to increase maintenance costs and replacement costs. I was more curious if a well known pad swap made a huge difference? If the best cost effective brake upgrade is the 50i upgrade, I may be going that way.

Upgrade to the 50i. Several for sale as we speak

[Road Carnage]

I agree, my E70 brakes were far better than these F15. I have a 50i and still feel they are weak. I’m probably going to switch them out for MPBK when these pads are used up.

[Googone20]

I did some research tonight. The E70 and F15 use the same calipers, which means the E70 pads will work on the F15. I am willing to bet the newer part numbers are a harder ceramic pad. This is why they don’t bite like the older E70 pads, but also why they don’t dust so bad. I am thinking I may just throw some OEM E70 pads on my F15 to see if that can improve things enough to make me happy.

[TheUltimateDrivingManiac]

Originally Posted by beats

Coming from a F25 X3, F15 brakes are great. All relative I suppose.

It’s not relative, it’s a fact - I had to replace rotors twice in two years and 40000 km, they are overheating and getting warped. And I’m not driving aggressively by any stretch.

[HydroStream6]

I have my 50i front calipers if someone wants to upgrade! PM me. They're just in my way...

[beats]

Originally Posted by TheUltimateDrivingManiac

It’s not relative, it’s a fact - I had to replace rotors twice in two years and 40000 km, they are overheating and getting warped. And I’m not driving aggressively by any stretch.

If you are "overheating" your brakes on the street there is something wrong with your brakes, or your driving, likely both.


And my point was that braking performance is relative. These brakes aren't as good as those found on a proper sports car, but better than a lot of the brakes on other SUV's in my experience.

[artem123]

Can i have above pads on rear wheels while still having original on the front?

[alphaod]

I think it's unfair to compare these brakes to ones on a sports car. I had a 2009 E70 4.8; I don't think these brakes are any worse. I did really hate the E70 brakes in that they produced so much brake dust.

When I did an emergency stop just yesterday, it actually stopped a lot of faster than I realized this car could because I was already angling into the emergency lane just in case.

[Googone20]

Looks like I am going to be upgrading to the 50i brakes on all 4 corners. Does anyone know if the 50i uses different brake pads then the regular F15 brakes. What I would love to do is upgrade the calipers and rotors to the larger 50i units, and swap the pads to the E70 semi-Metallic pads. These f15 ceramic pads are harder and don’t have the initial bite of the E70’s. That would be a winning combination in my opinion.

[Road Carnage]

Originally Posted by Googone20

Looks like I am going to be upgrading to the 50i brakes on all 4 corners. Does anyone know if the 50i uses different brake pads then the regular F15 brakes. What I would love to do is upgrade the calipers and rotors to the larger 50i units, and swap the pads to the E70 semi-Metallic pads. These f15 ceramic pads are harder and don’t have the initial bite of the E70’s. That would be a winning combination in my opinion.

Keep us posted, this might be a good option to MPBK. I do agree with the comments about the E70 pads being prolific brake dust producers, so that would be a downside.

[Googone20]

Originally Posted by Road Carnage

Keep us posted, this might be a good option to MPBK. I do agree with the comments about the E70 pads being prolific brake dust producers, so that would be a downside.

I think that is why they were so good performance wise. They were softer and had a lot more dropping power due to this fact. The ceramics definitely don’t dust as much, but also don’t have the feel of the older pads.

[Maverik259]

Originally Posted by Googone20

I think that is why they were so good performance wise. They were softer and had a lot more dropping power due to this fact. The ceramics definitely don’t dust as much, but also don’t have the feel of the older pads.

Curious why you think they're ceramic?

[Googone20]

Makes sense why they would have significantly less brake dust, and why they don’t have the same feel as the older pads. I honestly have no clue what compound they are. I am only guessing like others have mentioned.