DTC = Full of win for daily driving.

radiantm3 · 04-03-2009, 12:16 AM

I've been switching on dynamic traction control every time I drive for the last few days and wow the car is so much more fun to drive this way. The regular TC has really been punishing me especially with the extra power from the Dinan Stage 2. With DTC on the car pulls quite a bit harder and I feel quite a bit more control. I'm pretty sure the normal TC was constantly controlling the throttle when I drove hard before. With DTC on, it seems to give me a bit more play without letting things get dangerous. I really wish I could force DTC to be on by default. The only time I'd want to have the regular TC on is when it rains.

Anyone else feel the same way? I'm sure some of you like to turn off the whole DSC system, but I'm not that brave.

radiantm3 · 04-03-2009, 01:15 PM

Am I the only one who drives with DTC on?

MastaMind · 04-03-2009, 01:33 PM

I think so

Papa13 · 04-03-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by radiantm3

I've been switching on dynamic traction control every time I drive for the last few days and wow the car is so much more fun to drive this way. The regular TC has really been punishing me especially with the extra power from the Dinan Stage 2. With DTC on the car pulls quite a bit harder and I feel quite a bit more control. I'm pretty sure the normal TC was constantly controlling the throttle when I drove hard before. With DTC on, it seems to give me a bit more play without letting things get dangerous. I really wish I could force DTC to be on by default. The only time I'd want to have the regular TC on is when it rains.

Anyone else feel the same way? I'm sure some of you like to turn off the whole DSC system, but I'm not that brave.

Noticed this even in my 330, so i bet it is intensified with an N54. DTC is really the way to go if you are driving aggressive at all. The power delivery feels way more true through the twistiest.

Next step.. Turning it all the way off and feeling the full power

Coach · 04-03-2009, 02:11 PM

Since I installed the JB3 I found that first gear is useless with all the TC on. If I have to pull out into traffic fairly quick the rear break traction and the computer shuts me down.

Mega Man · 04-03-2009, 02:50 PM

I leave it all on because if I turn any of it off the light up displays in the dash bother me.

On one occasion, I noticed it doing it's job. I was wanting to go aggressive around a corner, and noticed the DTC flash at me in the dash. I assume that means it was "helping."

pit1 · 04-03-2009, 02:52 PM

You're not the only one...we've had this discussion (be it argument) in the past. Agreed it's a bit of a hindrance, I can imagine even more so with JB+. Although I remain in support of leaving gizmos enabled on a daily basis, I respect where DSC gets in the way creating unexpected results. If you're being aggressive and expect a subtle, controllable slide, the abrupt cut-off can be a dangerous surprise...especially if trying to quickly enter fast-moving traffic. If conditions permit, I'd much rather juggle the slide then fight the car for more power. Agreed, though...it pulls much harder when it's deactivated. Just be careful is all, and don't be "that C@CK" driving a BMW.

Olivier_TFE · 04-03-2009, 03:57 PM

Y put DSC and DTC OFF every time I go to road "hard", by pushing more than 3 seconds on DTC button.

For me, is the way for have fun and drive sportly.

When DSC and DTC are off, the electronic differential keep ON. Off cause, you have to dicover it carrefully.

I have tested the 3 modes en circuit and road, con rain and without...

cagekicker · 04-03-2009, 04:23 PM

i like it on!

radiantm3 · 04-03-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Olivier_TFE

Y put DSC and DTC OFF every time I go to road "hard", by pushing more than 3 seconds on DTC button.

For me, is the way for have fun and drive sportly.

When DSC and DTC are off, the electronic differential keep ON. Off cause, you have to dicover it carrefully.

I have tested the 3 modes en circuit and road, con rain and without...

I don't trust myself on public roads with DSC off completely.

But I could see it being a blast in a well-controlled environment.

Olivier_TFE · 04-03-2009, 04:50 PM

I'm a french guy (living in Spain): sure that I have another culture of the car riding...

but I agree with your carrefull driving method, too.

Maine1 · 04-03-2009, 05:28 PM

I also like to use DTC most of the time for spirited driving. I've had a few occasions while pulling out into traffic that DSC has shut the power on me when I needed to get going in a hurry - felt like a sitting duck. In DTC it doesn't shut you down so abruptly. I plan to experiment more with it all the way off when I get the summer tires back on.

lib · 04-03-2009, 10:28 PM

Just be careful.

Having spun my 1er twice (not on public roads) when traction control was disabled I would suggest against shutting everything down in public. If you manage to swing the backend around you had better be awake or you're going for a ride.

Olivier_TFE · 04-04-2009, 01:17 AM

I am surprised. Perhaps this is because I'm 44 years old? I always drived without these electronic assistances and that does not pose any problem. Of course, carreful with rain but on dry, no problem with this powerful but flexible engine.

Chicago1 · 04-05-2009, 12:52 AM

I also have the Dinan Stage 2 w/ intake and exhaust and there's absolutely NO point in having all that extra power UNLESS you disable the nanny controls. The stock DSC/DTC will shut you down immensely if you goose the throttle, making your mods completely moot. The only time I use DTC is if there's snow, and I leave everything alone when it's raining. But if conditions are dry, I ALWAYS turn it ALL off.. I feel that it's safer that way, because I've also been bogged down trying to make a quick left turn into oncoming traffic and the computer cut my power/hit the brakes (or whatever it does?) nearly causing an accident. If you are experienced and can control a slight fish-tail, I believe it's safer to be able to put the power to the asphalt with a little wheel-spin, versus having the computer slam on the brakes.

montreal red · 04-05-2009, 02:00 AM

darn....i drive with my dsc on all the time....it only goes off on the track.

italiantank26 · 04-05-2009, 10:41 AM

Only time I don't drive in tim yoyo mode is when it's wet out

m7ammed · 04-05-2009, 10:49 AM

so when you turn DTC on does that mean if the car slides it will correct it ?

Chicago1 · 04-05-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by adood84

so when you turn DTC on does that mean if the car slides it will correct it ?

Yes, but only to a certain degree in my experience. (Others can chime in here?) DTC will allow *some* wheel slippage, but the controls will kick in at a certain point. That's why DTC is good in the snow, because without *any* slippage, it's pretty darn hard to get anywhere. But it won't necessarily allow you to get completely sideways unless you're really trying hard to do so.

Alec693 · 04-05-2009, 07:24 PM

Is the DTC in the 135i standard or an upgrade of some sort? Sorry for lack of knowledge, planning to buy a 135i in about 2 months.

radiantm3 · 04-05-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alec693

Is the DTC in the 135i standard or an upgrade of some sort? Sorry for lack of knowledge, planning to buy a 135i in about 2 months.

I'm pretty sure it's on every car BMW makes.

Alec693 · 04-05-2009, 08:17 PM

Oh really? Now I feel like an idiot lol I've never noticed it, I haven't driven a BMW in a while, my mom has a 328, I do remember seeing the DTC button now that I think about it.

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Coach Second Lieutenant 8 Rep 204 Posts Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: May 2008 Location: NASCAR Heaven iTrader: (0)	Since I installed the JB3 I found that first gear is useless with all the TC on. If I have to pull out into traffic fairly quick the rear break traction and the computer shuts me down.
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pit1 Captain 239 Rep 790 Posts Drives: F87 M2 Join Date: May 2008 Location: It's always Sunny... iTrader: (1)	You're not the only one...we've had this discussion (be it argument) in the past. Agreed it's a bit of a hindrance, I can imagine even more so with JB+. Although I remain in support of leaving gizmos enabled on a daily basis, I respect where DSC gets in the way creating unexpected results. If you're being aggressive and expect a subtle, controllable slide, the abrupt cut-off can be a dangerous surprise...especially if trying to quickly enter fast-moving traffic. If conditions permit, I'd much rather juggle the slide then fight the car for more power. Agreed, though...it pulls much harder when it's deactivated. Just be careful is all, and don't be "that C@CK" driving a BMW.
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Olivier_TFE sport pilot 2 Rep 65 Posts Drives: BMW 135i Alpine White Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Tenerife - Spain iTrader: (0)	Y put DSC and DTC OFF every time I go to road "hard", by pushing more than 3 seconds on DTC button. For me, is the way for have fun and drive sportly. When DSC and DTC are off, the electronic differential keep ON. Off cause, you have to dicover it carrefully. I have tested the 3 modes en circuit and road, con rain and without...
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Olivier_TFE sport pilot 2 Rep 65 Posts Drives: BMW 135i Alpine White Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Tenerife - Spain iTrader: (0)	I'm a french guy (living in Spain): sure that I have another culture of the car riding... but I agree with your carrefull driving method, too.
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Maine1 Private First Class 4 Rep 172 Posts Drives: M235xi Join Date: May 2008 Location: Scarborough, Maine iTrader: (0)	I also like to use DTC most of the time for spirited driving. I've had a few occasions while pulling out into traffic that DSC has shut the power on me when I needed to get going in a hurry - felt like a sitting duck. In DTC it doesn't shut you down so abruptly. I plan to experiment more with it all the way off when I get the summer tires back on.
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lib Major 141 Rep 1,401 Posts Drives: <This space for rent> Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: ATX iTrader: (0)	Just be careful. Having spun my 1er twice (not on public roads) when traction control was disabled I would suggest against shutting everything down in public. If you manage to swing the backend around you had better be awake or you're going for a ride.
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Olivier_TFE sport pilot 2 Rep 65 Posts Drives: BMW 135i Alpine White Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Tenerife - Spain iTrader: (0)	I am surprised. Perhaps this is because I'm 44 years old? I always drived without these electronic assistances and that does not pose any problem. Of course, carreful with rain but on dry, no problem with this powerful but flexible engine.
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Chicago1 Private First Class 5 Rep 137 Posts Drives: Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (0)	I also have the Dinan Stage 2 w/ intake and exhaust and there's absolutely NO point in having all that extra power UNLESS you disable the nanny controls. The stock DSC/DTC will shut you down immensely if you goose the throttle, making your mods completely moot. The only time I use DTC is if there's snow, and I leave everything alone when it's raining. But if conditions are dry, I ALWAYS turn it ALL off.. I feel that it's safer that way, because I've also been bogged down trying to make a quick left turn into oncoming traffic and the computer cut my power/hit the brakes (or whatever it does?) nearly causing an accident. If you are experienced and can control a slight fish-tail, I believe it's safer to be able to put the power to the asphalt with a little wheel-spin, versus having the computer slam on the brakes. __________________ SGM 135i - M-Sport - Cld Wthr - Blk 'Ette - iPod - HiFi - Grey Poplar - Riss Racing Intake - cp-e Exhaust - DINAN Stage II
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m7ammed Captain 210 Rep 959 Posts Drives: 2019 M2 Competition Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Saudi Arabia iTrader: (0)	so when you turn DTC on does that mean if the car slides it will correct it ? __________________ Instgram: @m7m_photo
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Alec693 BMWholic 9 Rep 161 Posts Drives: 2015 Chevrolet Equinox 1LT AWD Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Rochester, MI iTrader: (0) Garage List 2015 Chevrolet Equi ... [0.00]	Is the DTC in the 135i standard or an upgrade of some sort? Sorry for lack of knowledge, planning to buy a 135i in about 2 months.
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Alec693 BMWholic 9 Rep 161 Posts Drives: 2015 Chevrolet Equinox 1LT AWD Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Rochester, MI iTrader: (0) Garage List 2015 Chevrolet Equi ... [0.00]	Oh really? Now I feel like an idiot lol I've never noticed it, I haven't driven a BMW in a while, my mom has a 328, I do remember seeing the DTC button now that I think about it.
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