I got my car back today! (G-power fixed it)

[Jonmartin]

Well as most of you folks know my car was one of the first G-power M3's in North America and as with most things being the first always comes with the possibility of having problems. The car ran pretty well for a couple weeks after install I did a few runs and had plans to take it to track and drag strip to see what I could do but I was never able to do so because shortly after the 3 week mark my engine started to stumble and began to smoke a lil bit.

I took the car to Autotalent where it was installed and the time I wasn't thinking it was something too serious as the car was still driveable although not plesantly. The kit was then removed from the car and the motor was torn down to see what happend and we did some talking with G-power and we were trying to figure the cause. It was then determined I had a bad tuning file. Shortly after that another members car had the same problem.

Autotalent and G-power then worked out the details amoungst themselves and took care of my car although it took a while due to the workload at Autotalent I can understand why but the important thing is that my car was repaired and the expenses were taken care of by G-power.

So I picked my car up last week and have been enjoying it since then breaking the motor back in again and the car runs just like it was made at M-division nothing odd to report Autotalent did an excellent job and I'm just glad to have my car back once again.

I've noticed alot of people making some harsh statment about the G-power kit. The thing is I knew G-power was still testing a few different things out like different blowers and I was aware the kit I got wasn't fully tested yet but I wanted the kit so I chose to install it anyway. I dont really regret it as I got a good deal and it was fun while it lasted and I didn't cost me anything to get my car fixed. I don't know of alot of companies that back up their products. Pretty much every other company out there has had a couple blown motors maybe not on the new S65 but on other cars and if they say they have never had a blown motor thats because they are lying. I've been in the scene for a while and know a lil more then the general public. Bottom line is there has been cases where the other companies have basicaly told the customer "tough cookie, kick rocks" and there have been companies that took care of the problem and G-power is one of them.

I currently do not have the kit re-installed on my car and I need to square some things off before I decide to install the kit again which will likely in a lil while but I dont have any fear in doing this all over again because the kit didn't fail due to a poor design and the S65 isn't a weak motor so I would still recommend the G-power to anyone intrested in the kit. I heard they have a couple new maps and this won't be a issue again.

So again BIG thanks to Autotalent for their work and G-power for taking care of their customer.I will soon be back to doing runs attending meets track days and such and I can't wait.

[TheKosherStogie]

glad to hear it all worked out for you

[JMD0977]

Congrats. It should feel great to have the car back.

With that said, there are 2 G-Power S/C'ed E9x M3's in Europe that also blew their engines recently. Good to hear G-Powed took care of your repair expenses.

[powertrip]

Congrats bro, glad to hear everything worked out. Even NA, you still have one of fastest M3's out there .

[MiamiKat]

i bet your happy! congrats!

[Lemans_Blue_M]

Jon,

I hope you are enjoying your new N/A stroker engine. (before you get it supercharged again)

[DLSJ5]

Good to hear all is good J.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by JMD0977

Congrats. It should feel great to have the car back.

With that said, there are 2 G-Power S/C'ed E9x M3's in Europe that also blew their engines recently. Good to hear G-Powed took care of your repair expenses.

OT, love your car Bro, you set it up nicely! Best of luck on the sale.

[Nawaaz]

Glad to hear the good news for you Jon.

[biglare]

Happy to hear that they took care of you. Any reputable company should take care of their customers, so I'm glad to see that companies are standing behind their products!

I'm very much looking forward to enjoying my SC kit!

[CSMRX7]

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

Jon,

I hope you are enjoying your new N/A stroker engine. (before you get it supercharged again)

So the new motor is a stroker???

[King Tut]

To me it is buyer beware. Is there some document where G-power guarntees they will fix your car when the "tune" destroys your engine? How long is the engine warranty? If you can't afford to replace your engine, then you can't afford a supercharger kit is the reality in my mind. I meant to ask Jon if he had a wideband installed or any kind of knock measuring device to ensure the car is running properly.

[ACZakka325i]

While I think these systems are cool, there is no way I would do this to my car. I would never want to deal with these engines over the long haul with these modifications. My buddy had an e36 that had the s/c taken off. The whole engine had to be rebuilt before it would run properly again.

[KiokenM3]

good to hear you got your car back. you back to your old gintani set up?

[FStop7]

Nothing bad to say about G-Power here. The stage 2 car at the dyno day put down 540rwhp with a very smooth hp/tq curve and A/F ratio curve. Congrats on getting your car back.

[808MGuy]

Originally Posted by King Tut

To me it is buyer beware. Is there some document where G-power guarntees they will fix your car when the "tune" destroys your engine? How long is the engine warranty? If you can't afford to replace your engine, then you can't afford a supercharger kit is the reality in my mind. I meant to ask Jon if he had a wideband installed or any kind of knock measuring device to ensure the car is running properly.

I agree. Pretty much all mods are buyer beware. There is never a guarantee because as I said in the other thread, it is near impossible to test any mod for every situation it might encounter on the streets or on the track prior to release. There will always be problems that arise especially with the early adopters. In happens in almost every industry. Computers, electronics, cars, and even industrial equipment. Cars are no different since they are very complex machines.

[GT3 Tim]

Originally Posted by JMD0977

Congrats. It should feel great to have the car back.

With that said, there are 2 G-Power S/C'ed E9x M3's in Europe that also blew their engines recently. Good to hear G-Powed took care of your repair expenses.

Wonder if they blew the motors due to the "bad tuning file"? Makes sense.....cars runs too lean or something and BLAMO!

Could be that a bad tune is fully to blame and NOT a "weak" motor....just thinking aloud.....you could have the best built motor in the world and totally destroy it with a poor tune.

[powertrip]

Yep, with FI the tune is where it's at. The new Evo X has a fairly well-built engine from the factory, but we see at least one a month that cracked a ringland from an overly aggressive tune.

Originally Posted by GT3 Tim

Wonder if they blew the motors due to the "bad tuning file"? Makes sense.....cars runs too lean or something and BLAMO!

Could be that a bad tune is fully to blame and NOT a "weak" motor....just thinking aloud.....you could have the best built motor in the world and totally destroy it with a poor tune.

[M3Kernow]

"Quote:
Originally Posted by RGuard250 View Post
Jonmartin,

Is it specifically the tune associated with the kit that is blowing the motors? What is the tune doing that is detrimental?"


Good question.
Were the other 2 SC S65's in Germany both GPower as well? I wonder why when GPower knew their tune was causing the engine failures didn't they re-flash all the customers S65 ECU's to the new software before they blew?

Have all 5 motors costs been covered? At least your car has been sorted mate, i'd sit tight though wait and see what happens with other SC cars on the road before reinstalling your kit again.

[JMD0977]

Originally Posted by M3Kernow

"Quote:
Originally Posted by RGuard250 View Post
Jonmartin,

Is it specifically the tune associated with the kit that is blowing the motors? What is the tune doing that is detrimental?"


Good question.
Were the other 2 SC S65's in Germany both GPower as well?

.

Yes. So far all 5 S/C'ed M3s with blown engines were all G-Power's.

I beleive, G-Power just did not do enough tune testing at the begening, which is the only reason why this happened so quickly to all of their first cars.

[JMD0977]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

OT, love your car Bro, you set it up nicely! Best of luck on the sale.

Thanks, I'm begining to think I'll regret selling it

[Jonmartin]

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

Jon,

I hope you are enjoying your new N/A stroker engine. (before you get it supercharged again)

LOL thanks but its not a stroker.

Originally Posted by CSMRX7

So the new motor is a stroker???

No

Originally Posted by King Tut

To me it is buyer beware. Is there some document where G-power guarntees they will fix your car when the "tune" destroys your engine? How long is the engine warranty? If you can't afford to replace your engine, then you can't afford a supercharger kit is the reality in my mind. I meant to ask Jon if he had a wideband installed or any kind of knock measuring device to ensure the car is running properly.

G-Power will cover motors that had kits installed by their Authorized Dealers only. I didn't have a wideband installed I knew I shoud have though.Its not really the a/f that was bad it was due to detonation too much timing.

Originally Posted by KiokenM3

good to hear you got your car back. you back to your old gintani set up?

Thanks, I will be N/A with all my old stuff for a lil while until we figure out what to do next.

Originally Posted by FStop7

Nothing bad to say about G-Power here. The stage 2 car at the dyno day put down 540rwhp with a very smooth hp/tq curve and A/F ratio curve. Congrats on getting your car back.

YUP +1 it will be better soon. I plan on bettering those numbers with the new file.

Originally Posted by GT3 Tim

Wonder if they blew the motors due to the "bad tuning file"? Makes sense.....cars runs too lean or something and BLAMO!

Could be that a bad tune is fully to blame and NOT a "weak" motor....just thinking aloud.....you could have the best built motor in the world and totally destroy it with a poor tune.

As I said before too much timing caused detonation and you're right the best engine in the world with the strongest shit with blow with the wrong file. The S65 isn't a weak motor period.

Originally Posted by M3Kernow

"Quote:
Originally Posted by RGuard250 View Post
Jonmartin,

Is it specifically the tune associated with the kit that is blowing the motors? What is the tune doing that is detrimental?"


Good question.
Were the other 2 SC S65's in Germany both GPower as well? I wonder why when GPower knew their tune was causing the engine failures didn't they re-flash all the customers S65 ECU's to the new software before they blew?

Have all 5 motors costs been covered? At least your car has been sorted mate, i'd sit tight though wait and see what happens with other SC cars on the road before reinstalling your kit again.

I have no idea about the other supposed blown cars all I know about is my car and another local car so I can't comment on those.


To everyone else thanks for the comments.