AIO Sealant, wax, etc.

Bimmer-Bob · 04-19-2010, 07:50 AM

Okay, I'm a total noob when it comes to detailing. I've got all the stuff I need for hand washing the car, taking care of the tires/wheels, and interior, but I'm looking for a "final step." In other words, what should I be doing after wasing and drying my car? I'd like to protect the paint from fading, and I'd like something with some gloss to it, but I don't want to get into layering multiple products and spending all day on this. Any recomendations? I'm looking at Klasse All-in-One (or Klasse High Gloss - do they HAVE to be used together?) or Poorboy's EX Sealant (am particularly intrigued by this one, as it seems simple). Any guidance here? Should I get a PC to apply or buff this stuff? Thanks in advance.

Mutilator · 04-19-2010, 08:16 AM

I've been using Klasse All-In-One for years. Typically I top it with some P21S wax - since it goes on like melted butter I don't really consider it as being any extra work. I do it all by hand. The only time I use a PC is when I'm doing a very thorough detailing and/or removing swirl marks or working with paint that hasn't been taken care of.

vanbmw · 04-19-2010, 05:21 PM

I just put some Menzerna power lock sealant on my wife's SUV and was VERY impressed. Very easy to use and the paint looks awesome. Go to Detailedimage.com as they have it on sale right now I think.

REVNU · 04-22-2010, 04:11 PM

Optimum Opti-Seal (Clear Spray Sealant) - Basically you spray some on a foam pad rub it into the paint and walk away; you're done, and it looks great.

Bimmer-Bob · 04-26-2010, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutilator

I've been using Klasse All-In-One for years. Typically I top it with some P21S wax - since it goes on like melted butter I don't really consider it as being any extra work. I do it all by hand. The only time I use a PC is when I'm doing a very thorough detailing and/or removing swirl marks or working with paint that hasn't been taken care of.

I'm looking at the Klasse products + the P21S, but the Klasse SG looks like a PITA. Do just use the AIO + the P21S? Have you ever used the SG with it? I'm wondering if the extra effort is worth it ir not, or if I should just use the AIO + P21S. Thanks.

Mutilator · 04-26-2010, 02:30 PM

Never used the SG... just AIO + P21S.

I might have noticed a dif on my previous car(s)... but now that my car is white it's harder to tell what each product does for the paint.

Red Bread · 04-26-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob

I'm looking at the Klasse products + the P21S, but the Klasse SG looks like a PITA. Do just use the AIO + the P21S? Have you ever used the SG with it? I'm wondering if the extra effort is worth it ir not, or if I should just use the AIO + P21S. Thanks.

If you ignore the directions for SG, and just apply it to a panel at a time and immediately wipe it off, it's actually quite easy to use, doesn't tend to streak like it does when following the directions, and still provides plenty of protection.

I can't recall which "study" found the AIO/P21s combo to be so good, but it's quite old, and in my experience isn't a very durable combination, and doesn't do anything that a full synthetic like SG, Zaino Z2 or Menzerna Power Lock do just as well, plus the synthetics will last a lot longer.

Dackelone · 04-26-2010, 06:36 PM

You guys will probably think I am nuts for admiting this but.... I have tried Zanio, Klasse, ect... But I keep coming back to my ol' stand by. What is it?

Well.... I have put on my Nomex now... what I keep coming back to use is: NuFinish. YuP! There is just something I really like about this stuff. Once you put one coat the car - twice within 30 days, it really provides a good smooth texture. Great water beading and easy to put on and buff off. Zanio is very good too... but I find that for bird droppings and acid rain... NuFinish is way better. Just IMHO.

Red Bread · 04-27-2010, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dackelone

Zaino is very good too... but I find that for bird droppings and acid rain... NuFinish is way better. Just IMHO.

You certainly nailed the weak spots of Zaino. Whatever works for you is great. I think that with so many variables - humidity, temperatures, water quality, personal practices, that it's impossible to apply a "best" label to any product. I've had great luck with Zaino, Menzerna and Klasse, and can make a lot of other products serviceable, but each user is likely to find a good, go to product that others haven't had much luck with. Nothing wrong with NuFinish, plus it's easy to find!

ennislaw · 04-27-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by REVNU

Optimum Opti-Seal (Clear Spray Sealant) - Basically you spray some on a foam pad rub it into the paint and walk away; you're done, and it looks great.

+1
Opti-Seal was used and recommended on my 135 by the professional detailer who did the job http://www.goinggreendetailing.com/. I have since used it on the wheels to combat BMW's famous brake dust and it works.

pge

Dackelone · 04-27-2010, 04:54 PM

One other product that I really have started to like is BMW's own Nano-Tech wax/sealer. Its sold in a silver box and comes with some soft cotton cloths. costs twenty euros from the BMW Zentrum/Dealer.

This stuff goes on in a clear solution/film. After a minute or so it gets cloudy and you simply wipe it off after a few minutes. Very easy on & off. No white dust like NuFinish. Water beads nicely too.

TOGWT · 04-28-2010, 05:34 AM

An acrylic polymer (Klasse, Jeff Werkstatt, etc) are more resistant to attack by acid rain, bird excrement, etc than a polymer

Dackelone · 04-28-2010, 06:24 PM

This is my new favorite wax at the moment. I bought at my local BMW in Germany. I think BMW NA also sells it. Costs about 20 euros for a 375ml bottle. It goes on really easy and comes off just the same. No dust or residue either.

vanbmw · 04-28-2010, 07:42 PM

I have seen the whole line of BMW products...wax, interior cleaner, leather stuff etc... at teh BMW dealer here. I would think it would be good stuff. I also think it must be made by someone else for BMW...wonder who?

Dackelone · 04-28-2010, 08:15 PM

I think SONAX makes most of the stuff.

You can tell by the other BMW cleaning products they sell like the "bug & tar remover" or the "leather care" products. They all come in the EXACT bottles as SONAX products do. The only difference is the BMW stuff comes in a silver bottle instead of a red one!

But this Nano-Wax is different. I have never seen it sold at the other German stores that I frequent. I know P21S and A1 (made by Dr. Wack) makes stuff for the likes of Porsche's cleaning car line.

I do not know who makes this Nao wax for BMW though.

Btw... Sonax has a realy high end wax out too. Sonax PremiumClass CarnaubaCare

http://www.amazon.de/SONAX-02112000-...503640&sr=1-34

You can see by searching around on Amazon.de (the German website) how simular the bottles look to BMW car care lineup.

Dackelone · 06-07-2010, 07:27 PM

Well guys... I broke down and bought some "Menzerma's power lock". I washed my car today and polished it with this M-stuff. AND... I gotta say how impressed I am with it! I have tried alot of different products over the years... and I always kept coming back to my cheasy NuFinish.... but dam is this Menzerma stuff great to work with!

This stuff is really some GREAT (green) stuff in a bottle. AND it goes on and off soooo nicely. Not hard to buff on. It comes right off with a clean micro fiber towel. No dust, and best of all it gives the paint a deep clear luster to it. AND better yet(!) it makes the car's paint feel soooo sliky smooth. I love this stuff! It is pure SEX in a 12oz bottle! lol

Greg@DetailedImage · 06-08-2010, 08:53 AM

Glad to hear you stepped up to the Menzerna Power Lock Polymer Sealant. It's amongst the best sealants I have ever tested. It looks outstanding, while providing very durable protection that is easy to work with.

Greg @ DI

BlackjackMulligan · 06-08-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg@DetailedImage

Glad to hear you stepped up to the Menzerna Power Lock Polymer Sealant. It's amongst the best sealants I have ever tested. It looks outstanding, while providing very durable protection that is easy to work with.

Greg @ DI

Greg, I love Menz products but have been using Blackfire Wet Diamond for my LSP. How would you say the Power Lock compares to BFWD?

Greg@DetailedImage · 06-10-2010, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackjackMulligan

Greg, I love Menz products but have been using Blackfire Wet Diamond for my LSP. How would you say the Power Lock compares to BFWD?

Very close competition between those two for my favorite sealant right now. I think the Blackfire Wet Diamond with Polycharger is just slightly slicker during the application process. Looks and durability wise both have done very well for me. I go back and forth on which one looks better, it's really a close call. It's really tough to pick one because I really love both. Sorry I don't have a clear cut answer for you.

BlackjackMulligan · 06-11-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg@DetailedImage

Very close competition between those two for my favorite sealant right now. I think the Blackfire Wet Diamond with Polycharger is just slightly slicker during the application process. Looks and durability wise both have done very well for me. I go back and forth on which one looks better, it's really a close call. It's really tough to pick one because I really love both. Sorry I don't have a clear cut answer for you.

No problem Greg, your answer is fine- they're both good products! So it would probably come down to price (not sure how they compare).

Either way, I'm happy with the BFWD.

Edit: they cost the same

Dackelone · 06-11-2010, 07:14 PM

Greg & Gang,

Is there anything else one should be using with "Menzerma's power lock"?

I just wash my car and then apply the Menz-sealer.

Any other tips?

Greg@DetailedImage · 06-12-2010, 10:24 AM

I generally recommend a full detail at least 1 - 2 times per year. For me a full detail would me at least a wash, dry, clay bar, polish (usually a medium and light polish), sealant and the wax is optional after. The clay bar will help deep clean the paint and the polishes are arguably the most important step in restoring the shine. In between you can wash, dry and apply the Power Lock (Sealant) as desired. Let me know if you need any help selecting some products for a full detail.

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Mutilator Private First Class 4 Rep 130 Posts Drives: 09 AW 135i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NC iTrader: (0)	I've been using Klasse All-In-One for years. Typically I top it with some P21S wax - since it goes on like melted butter I don't really consider it as being any extra work. I do it all by hand. The only time I use a PC is when I'm doing a very thorough detailing and/or removing swirl marks or working with paint that hasn't been taken care of.
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vanbmw Major 130 Rep 1,101 Posts Drives: 2015 Black 335i Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Vancouver iTrader: (0)	I just put some Menzerna power lock sealant on my wife's SUV and was VERY impressed. Very easy to use and the paint looks awesome. Go to Detailedimage.com as they have it on sale right now I think.
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REVNU Private 2 Rep 62 Posts Drives: 2005 WRX 2.2 Stroker Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: The OC iTrader: (0)	Optimum Opti-Seal (Clear Spray Sealant) - Basically you spray some on a foam pad rub it into the paint and walk away; you're done, and it looks great.
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Mutilator Private First Class 4 Rep 130 Posts Drives: 09 AW 135i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NC iTrader: (0)	Never used the SG... just AIO + P21S. I might have noticed a dif on my previous car(s)... but now that my car is white it's harder to tell what each product does for the paint.
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Dackelone European Editor 10589 Rep 22,992 Posts Drives: N54 e82 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Bayern, Germany iTrader: (1)	You guys will probably think I am nuts for admiting this but.... I have tried Zanio, Klasse, ect... But I keep coming back to my ol' stand by. What is it? Well.... I have put on my Nomex now... what I keep coming back to use is: NuFinish. YuP! There is just something I really like about this stuff. Once you put one coat the car - twice within 30 days, it really provides a good smooth texture. Great water beading and easy to put on and buff off. Zanio is very good too... but I find that for bird droppings and acid rain... NuFinish is way better. Just IMHO.
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Dackelone European Editor 10589 Rep 22,992 Posts Drives: N54 e82 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Bayern, Germany iTrader: (1)	One other product that I really have started to like is BMW's own Nano-Tech wax/sealer. Its sold in a silver box and comes with some soft cotton cloths. costs twenty euros from the BMW Zentrum/Dealer. This stuff goes on in a clear solution/film. After a minute or so it gets cloudy and you simply wipe it off after a few minutes. Very easy on & off. No white dust like NuFinish. Water beads nicely too.
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TOGWT Captain 11 Rep 770 Posts Drives: 630i Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ponte Vedra Beach, FL / London, UK iTrader: (0)	An acrylic polymer (Klasse, Jeff Werkstatt, etc) are more resistant to attack by acid rain, bird excrement, etc than a polymer
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Dackelone European Editor 10589 Rep 22,992 Posts Drives: N54 e82 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Bayern, Germany iTrader: (1)	This is my new favorite wax at the moment. I bought at my local BMW in Germany. I think BMW NA also sells it. Costs about 20 euros for a 375ml bottle. It goes on really easy and comes off just the same. No dust or residue either.
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Dackelone European Editor 10589 Rep 22,992 Posts Drives: N54 e82 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Bayern, Germany iTrader: (1)	I think SONAX makes most of the stuff. You can tell by the other BMW cleaning products they sell like the "bug & tar remover" or the "leather care" products. They all come in the EXACT bottles as SONAX products do. The only difference is the BMW stuff comes in a silver bottle instead of a red one! But this Nano-Wax is different. I have never seen it sold at the other German stores that I frequent. I know P21S and A1 (made by Dr. Wack) makes stuff for the likes of Porsche's cleaning car line. I do not know who makes this Nao wax for BMW though. Btw... Sonax has a realy high end wax out too. Sonax PremiumClass CarnaubaCare http://www.amazon.de/SONAX-02112000-...503640&sr=1-34 You can see by searching around on Amazon.de (the German website) how simular the bottles look to BMW car care lineup.
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Dackelone European Editor 10589 Rep 22,992 Posts Drives: N54 e82 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Bayern, Germany iTrader: (1)	Well guys... I broke down and bought some "Menzerma's power lock". I washed my car today and polished it with this M-stuff. AND... I gotta say how impressed I am with it! I have tried alot of different products over the years... and I always kept coming back to my cheasy NuFinish.... but dam is this Menzerma stuff great to work with! This stuff is really some GREAT (green) stuff in a bottle. AND it goes on and off soooo nicely. Not hard to buff on. It comes right off with a clean micro fiber towel. No dust, and best of all it gives the paint a deep clear luster to it. AND better yet(!) it makes the car's paint feel soooo sliky smooth. I love this stuff! It is pure SEX in a 12oz bottle! lol
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Greg@DetailedImage 125 Rep 3,515 Posts Drives: clean and protected Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NY iTrader: (0)	Glad to hear you stepped up to the Menzerna Power Lock Polymer Sealant. It's amongst the best sealants I have ever tested. It looks outstanding, while providing very durable protection that is easy to work with. Greg @ DI
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Dackelone European Editor 10589 Rep 22,992 Posts Drives: N54 e82 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Bayern, Germany iTrader: (1)	Greg & Gang, Is there anything else one should be using with "Menzerma's power lock"? I just wash my car and then apply the Menz-sealer. Any other tips?
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Greg@DetailedImage 125 Rep 3,515 Posts Drives: clean and protected Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NY iTrader: (0)	I generally recommend a full detail at least 1 - 2 times per year. For me a full detail would me at least a wash, dry, clay bar, polish (usually a medium and light polish), sealant and the wax is optional after. The clay bar will help deep clean the paint and the polishes are arguably the most important step in restoring the shine. In between you can wash, dry and apply the Power Lock (Sealant) as desired. Let me know if you need any help selecting some products for a full detail.
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