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04-02-2012, 07:21 AM | #1 |
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To go forced induction, or not to go forced induction...that is the question!
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2008 E92 M3. It is currently stock minus apex wheels and HR sport plus springs. I really like the ability to mess with the EDC, so until I mess with that I won't go with coilovers (or until something in the EDC breaks and isn't worth the money to replace versus KW V3s). As far as brakes go, I figured the stock are fine until I track it some more. I don't want to spend the $$ on a BBK that I will just not fully utilize and it will corrode, chew through pads, etc. on normal street driving/few track days PLUS add more of a headache in general. So I was thinking what is it that completes my car in my eyes...it was more power. I did the math looking at getting a full TI exhaust with Cats and Tune brining up power about 30 HP for about $7k. The alternative seemed to be dropping 8-9k for the baseline Stage 1 Supercharger that VF offers, Ess, etc. They are all based off the vortech anyways, and offer a tune as part of the package (generally). The only thing that worries me is my engine. It is at 57k miles and I bought it used (got a great deal, everything was perfect in the car just as I wanted it, package, color, everything). I was thinking at this point it might be a waste to boost an engine that is already approaching 60k miles. Any opinions on the pros and cons? I was thinking I could boost it until I destroy it, if I am going to keep this car for a while, and hopefully buy a cheap replacement motor off E-bay or just bite the bullet and order a new one. I am just thinking hypothetically worse/best scenario for an install of a stage 1 vs exhaust and tune, as well as the opinions you guys have on if I should wait until this engine fails THEN go the customization route, or just go Big now.
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If I recall correctly, IND at least will make sure your engine is strong before they go ahead with forced induction. Also, there was a guy on here who SC'ed at 50+K miles and had no problems.
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04-02-2012, 09:05 AM | #3 |
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Not so many used E92 M3 engines off e-bay....and a new one costs about 25k, which is going to be more than the value of your car pretty soon.
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Very depressing to imagine blowing this engine. I could afford it, but it would just feel like such a waste.
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just do a compression test on the motor and it will tell you if your engine is healthy or not. If all is good deff do FI with whatever company you like.
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that was me, sc it with a 535 kit at a little over 50k, ran it for another 30k with no issues then i sold the car
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also if you go with a SC you will soon want the full exhaust as well to maximize it potential so will end up spending money there also. best way to go is good catless or HFC cat mid pipe and the SC.
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I was also considering the bonus of having an excuse to get a Dinan Stroker if I do end up accidently destroying my engine... I also want to stay emissions legal. I plan on driving this car into the ground.
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I think I just need a general feeling I won't lose the value of the supercharger if I can re-install it later.
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What would the build cost by itself from ESS?
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At 57k miles your car is just broken in. It's your call but I supercharged my old e46 m3 and it had 130k miles when I did it. Ran it hard, tracked it you name it, put on like another 40-45k of hard driving and never had any issues. Maintenance plays a very important role here
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i too am thinking of a dinan stroker if my engine fails at some point. might as well right at same price as the bmw unit.
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04-03-2012, 11:01 AM | #18 |
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Yes that's exactly it, oil changes more often, fluids, good spark plugs, etc. Some gauges to monitor some systems would also help. Once you go F/I it would help a lot to actually be more involved in knowing your car, how everything works etc, specially how the kit runs or it's supposed to run. Lack of basic knowledege, maintenace, fluids, etc could be very costly. By no means I'm saying to be paranoid but more alert of any changes in how the car is running.
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No, the core is 20k not five, says so on their product page right here -----> http://www.dinancars.com/shop/D850-1...ne.aspx#page=1 and then if you start digging into the fine print I'm pretty sure you will see it isn't just a core, its an acceptable core. The question then being what is acceptable?
Edit... A little more digging, here is the language cut and paste follows.... Some Dinan products are sold on an exchange basis and a refundable core deposit is added to the price of the item on the invoice, reflecting the replacement cost of the core item. The amount of the refundable core deposit for applicable products is listed as a footnote after the retail price of each item. An item returned under the core exchange program is eligible for a full refund of the core deposit when it meets the following criteria: The word “core” is prominently displayed on the carton. The core is accompanied by a copy of the original Dinan invoice. The core is returned within 30 days of receipt of the original shipment by the dealer. The core is fully functional and is for the specific make, model, and year car as the item supplied by Dinan. The core is in good condition (can be reused) and has not been modified in any way. Cores returned to Dinan that do not meet the above criteria, or are damaged in any way, will be returned to the dealer and the core deposit considered forfeited. |
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Am I reading that incorrectly? Also- Much thanks for the tips so far. Helping me with decision alot.
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I would do f/I instead. You could always take it off, sell it and sell/trade the car later and recover some of the money or not loose as much.
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Here you go :
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=664367
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