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M3 vs C63 vs 911 carrera s
I'm aware straight line the m3 is the slowest, but track wise how would these three hold up against eachother. Does anyone know what's faster straight line, the 63 or the 911?
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it makes the same power and is 500+ lbs lighter, plus has much more traction than an m3. the c63 will likely be the quickest or tied with the Porsche with the bmw lagging behind both. id imagine an m3 would be very close with the benz on most tracks if talking about the new refreshed c63. |
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http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/t...ed-manual.html http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html these times show a 3mph trap speed advantage for the c2s over m3, and Edmunds times always are really slow and suck. these tests are both with the auto transmissions for both cars since those post the fastest times. |
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A good friend of mine often comes with me at the drag strip with his stock C63 and has never been able to do better then 12.3@114mph, and that's after at least 70-80 pass on many differents days! Also my VT1-535 with stock cats trapped between 115-118mph depending on the conditions(my best was 119mph, only once) and I never had any problem passing him, even on the warmest day. The only place he was faster then me was on the launch because of its auto tranny and monstruous torque but that's where the 911 shines so there should be no problem! A manual 991S is probably a bit slower on the 1/4 mile but maybe you could tell us what it does! |
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THE RACE MAY NOT ALWAYS GO THE SWIFT, NOR THE BATTLE TO THE STRONG. BUT THAT'S THE WAY TO BET. For my money, the 991S will just eke out a win over the performance-packaged C63 in a standing start quarter mile, and both will pretty much crush the M3 in that endeavor. The C63 will be running the Porsche down at that point, but the rear-biased weight distribution plus launch control with PDK will ju-ust be able to eke out the win for the 991S over the Merc - maybe seven times out of ten contests with differing examples of the breeds. Out on the open road, the current C63 power pack will rule over the Porsche and bimmer. Bruce |
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Adding corners, Porsche rules. Tight corners, M3 beats up on Merc. Fast track (like the 'Ring), Merc beats up on bimmer. Also on typical U.S. highway curves (if you're crazy).
Most tracks in the U.S., M3 still beats Merc. Both lose to the Porsche. Bruce Last edited by bruce.augenstein@comcast.; 07-12-2013 at 08:45 PM.. |
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the carrera will destroy all of these cars. end story
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Great videos of Top Gear and 5th gear comparing the M3 and the C63.
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I also spec'd out a Cayman S for $90k. It may be a tad slower than the M3 in straight line (if at all), but dynamically, it is superior to almost any other car on the road, regardless of price. If I added in ceramic brakes, the Cayman is $97k and the Carrera is $138k. The real question is not between M3, C63, or 991S. The real question becomes whether or not the straight line advantage of the Carrera is worth $40k more than the Cayman, which, other than pure power is better than all the other cars, and IMO, better looking as well.
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My dream car as well and I have always wanted one but one thing I always tell myself is that it really is not worth double the money. One surely does not get twice the performance out of it. It does though get better fuel economy. One makes that up though with the price of oil changes and maintenance that they have to pay for on their own compared to a BMW where you get free maintenance for 4 years or 50,000 miles. |
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However, I have personally seen a pair of current C63s do 122 and just under 121, respectively at our local (Maple grove, PA) drag strip. Admittedly, this was under very good conditions (density altitude less than 200 feet) with warm sun, cool air and high barometer. Maple Grove is also a very good, high-traction facility, holding several NHRA records for speed and ET in the pro ranks. Still, both cars had dealer plates, leading me to believe they weren't even broken in - although I can't testify to that. In any event, your seat-of-the-pants evaluation is still valuable, because it's how the car makes you feel when driving it, as opposed to numbers. Bruce PS - The 122 car went a best (that I saw) of 11.88, and the other went 12.02. Have to say I was mightily impressed, especially from the perspective of a lowly Subaru, which went 13.704 @ 99.30, with a minor starting line bog. |
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current m156 MCT c63 is very different than previous 7speed automatic version, one large problem is engine oil cooling with with c63, especially mct variants, not sure if the tranny shares part of the engine oil cooler or whatnot but oil temp gets up to 130C(266F) on spirited street driving, instant torque is a very big selling point. Shifts has been very crisp compared to older gen C63, every shift is about quarter length of a car if you do a drag race, downshifts are smoother too. If you find a MCT c63 and solve cooling problems, I believe it will work on the track. I have a 7speed c63, I bought a m3 for the track, so that's my take on both cars.
C63 is going to be a very fun street car with long tubes and a tune, those tiny 255 rear tires is definitely limiting factor, so far I only had success fitting a 275/35/18 without major rubbing. If you find a way(fender work) to stuff a 305 or larger tire in the rear will yield bigger smiles per mile, if you are aggressive enough, a supercharge is just phone call away. I shared my thoughts on Porsches here: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...2&postcount=41 |
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